what is the power level for the f35 on the ss/tc alot of ppl say they cant hold for nothing....and the clutcheshold up to 350 tq( now i know every car is diff put is around the level)......lets say the f35 cant hold ****...would the f40 from the saab be a upgrade..or are there upgrades for the f35 already

 

There's been a few posts on this before. The F35 is plenty strong, switching over to the F40 isn't really necessary. The F35 is actually a fairly stout trans and it would be more hassle and $ than it's worth to go with the F40. As far as the clutch goes, just make sure that you shift around 3K and just above when daily driving to avoid the glazing that occurs by shifting at lower RPMs and it should hold fine. I know there was a dyno test done where they had some slipping at around 317whp, but people have gone above and beyond that (synapse ecotechnic turbo kit) with the stock clutch. I wouldn't worry unless you're looking at putting down some sick power.

 

I've gotten over 400whp on the stock ss/sc clutch, 411 to be exact, rocking the exedy hyper now at 440whp 400wtq and the trans is still doing fine. Granted I don't "beat" on the trans, but I do get on the car everytime I take it out.

 

good trannys. other then case bearing going. i just got a warrantied tranny cause of it. few members on here had/having the same issue with there 08's & 09's

 

horrible thread title

 

Why, is their something about tranny's you don't like? Don't like discussing their output shafts or tranny fluid? Don't want people to know you prefer strong tranny's?

 

f35 is good. its built to take some abuse. for those times when you dont really pay attention and grind gears when you dont engage the clutch all theway, it wont be a big deal

 

maybe he wanted a more descriptive one

 

please dont hate on me for threadjackin but making a new thread would be a waste of space but , on my 2.2 I allways shift with the shift light at 2krpms usually for almost every gear 4th and 5th are like 2200 or so it feels like when I DD . Are you just talking about SS's because they have more power/diff tranny so they cant shift at 2k rpm for instance ?(without slipping)

 

Like 300 lb tranny w/ 12" output shaft?

 

Yes, just the SS's. Different trans/clutch/gearing setup. You're fine with the 2.2, but with the SS keep the shifting at or above 3K.

Move to Hollywood man, if that's your thing, you'll be in linebacker sized tranny heaven. I've seen them put quite a few of those trannies into Bentleys...no joke...

 

ahh i walked into the wtong "tranny" convo...lol

 

^^ We've got both covered, what seems to be the problem?

 

my bad with the lets talk tranny no homo........welll then f35 should be good for now ....but what if your make real power...gt40 at 30psi type of power what then......

 

The Hahn Sunfire is running in the 10's with the LSJ and F35 combo. I'm sure there's building that needs to be done, but the tranny can handle it if you build it up, and you won't have to fab anything outside of the tranny to get things to fit correctly.

 

isnt the hahn sunfire still using a L61? and a F23?

 

There's absolutely no reason to rev that high before every upshift if you're doing normal daily driving. The main and important think is not to lug the engine. An example would be trying to drive ~20 mph and upshift into 5th gear and drop engine speed to 1000 rpm, then trying to accelerate. Something like that is not good on drivetrain components, but as long as you aren't lugging the engine it isn't a problem. That and short shifting will generally reward you with better mileage.

 

Ah ****, it is an L61. Just looked back through my pictures of it. Now I feel like a tard. I remember them specifially mentioning the F35 in the Sunfire when we were all talking about the car up at the Racine, WI meet, but the Sunfires did come with the L23/M86.

The issue is though is that you are lugging the engine on that 1st to 2nd shift especially (even 2nd to 3rd) if you're shifting that low around 2200. You can't make that shift properly at lower RPM's without riding on the clutch, and that's where your issues come in. It's obviously different from gear to gear past that because the ratios between each are different, but continously shifting at lower RPMs is going to cause problems with the clutch prematurely.

 

By riding are you talking about slipping the clutch (where you're on the gas while the clutch is not fully engaged yet)? The only time the clutch should have to be slipped slightly is from a dead stop and even then not excessively. You shouldn't be slipping the clutch between gear changes and the up or downshift should be completed quickly without having to rev the engine and slip the clutch (which would cause unnecessary wear). As long as you perform a normal shift and the upshift doesn't drop the engine speed too low in the next higher gear there's no reason you have to rev to 3k rpms in first or second gear for every shift unless you need the extra acceleration.

 

That they are, he's working on doing an f35 swap though in the near future.

 

Im curious about the shifting with the ss/tc at 3k or higher... what will that do for gas mileage.. will it kill it in city? idk i just got the car and ive been driving it like any other. 2.5k shifts and dont go into OD when not needed etc.

 

i'm confused on downshifting. I always rev match when i downshift. Are you saying thats a bad thing?