why some times when i nls it like bogs down sooo much? or like it has severe diehrea noises?
some times it works!!

 

Your hitting the rev limiter before shifting. Our tachs are slow. You need to start shifting around 5800 on the tach.

 

both tack and speedo are super slow....

especially speedo....

 

nice ppl thanks

 

Stop making a sandwich in-between shifts and you'll be good

 

i take it that nls with all ur mods is ok? a lot of ppl are telling me to not use nls anymore after i get tuned and some bolt ons.

 

im trifecta tuned with some bolt-ons and i nls quite often with no problem. the only time it ever bogs down on me a bit is when i 3-4 shift occasionaly. i think that's b/c im shifting slightly too early tho. other than that

 

i bog on the track sometimes nls from first to second if the wheels chirp hard enough

 

If NLS is not "working"...you are doing it wrong.

Hell I nls every single up-shift, after brakeboosting. 1-2-3-4 It makes a WORLD of difference.

 

NLS is easy when you are stock, on a tuned car trying it with the 1-2 shift is pointless because you're going to have to ridiculously feather the gas in 2nd to get traction on any radial anyway, so any thing you gained by not dropping boost........is lost right there, lol

I find it much better to just do traditional shifting, which I do in every other gear as well... people can "claim" it doesn't abuse the car all they want, but I am skeptical of the long term... besides, with the K04 being so small of a turbo its not like you lose anything anyway as far as spooling

 

Put it like this. I have a 09' SS/tc with a KN drop in. That's it.

I have yet to lose to a tuned car. I raced a Trifecta tuned Solstice making 301whp and a GM stage 1 Cobalt with bolt ons. ???whp.

I beat them both...why? Proper shifting-brakeboosting. The split second it takes to to back to full boost/wot, is where I pull on them every single time and keep on pulling.

 

lol

so now quick shifting makes up for 60whp....


i'll put it this way............. you put a decent drive(not even great) in a tuned Cobalt and the best driver you can find in stock TC...the stock car can no-lift shift, whatever you want to do, it's still going to get walked....

the whole "losing boost" is overrated, we have a SMALL ASS TURBO

lag is none existent pretty much anyway... brake boosting is pretty much a waste of brake pad as well... the turbo spools so damn quickly even without it


also take note, beating two shitty driven cars does not represent every tuned LNF on the road, 90% of them in any of the platforms would walk all over you... ****, I bet a Stage I HHR SS and a stock Cobalt would be an awesome race and they have a huge weight disadvantage over you

 

There is quite a bit of delay during a shift, after looking at some of my logs from the time you let off the accelerator to the time you're in full boost again(not back on the throttle) takes around 1.5 seconds during shifts. The throttle itself takes a full second to fully open, its quite annoying.

 

nls is fun tuned, specially when your trans explodes on the 2-3 shifts

 

some of you guys need to drive OTHER turbo cars, all i'm saying

and with that being said, a stock Cobalt still isn't "pulling" on a tuned LNF because of no-lift shift

 

lmao

 

I'm just pointing out a fact for lnf cars, there's considerable throttle delay during shifts and when full boost comes back on even on such a small turbo, hence the advantage of no lift to shift. As for the stock w/ nls vs tuned without, crappy driver who can't shift comes to mind.

 

i'm not denying there is boost loss at the shift, that is common sense... I'm just saying that because there is basically no time for spool AFTER the shift the gains are minimum... if it were a large ass turbo, then yeah, I would agree with NLS is hands down the way to go... but no matter what GM claims, its abusive and I can promise you this, you go through a transmission using it, and see how quick GM is to replace it, lol

nope, they'll be playing the abuse card

 

Looks like your in my area, kinda. Im up for it if you want to try this theory of yours. I should have my new tires within a month. Hit me up.

The "lag" that people are describing is more the throttles slow ass reopening than any kinda of spool issue. Remember it takes almost a full second to reopen to wot.

 

Pretty sure its because your spinning and when you hit second your actually at a lower rpm then you thought.

 

For the 1-2 I usually roll the throttle to keep traction then quickly shift not nls, then 2-3-4 are usually nls

 

My opinion is the following : Use NLS when you think it'll be necessary or beneficial.

Here's a short example:
I'm trifecta tunes 21psi + k&n. I raced a 2010 335i and thought I would smoke it easily from a roll so
1) firs I DIDN'T LNS : I walked him by the end of 3rd... 2-3 shift was pretty much perfect for both cars at about the same speed --> He pulled a fulll car on me just after the shift... was kinda annoyin

2) I USED LNS : I pretty much smoked him by 3-4 cars at the end of 3rd and he never got ahead of me.

SO, LNS does make a huge difference (in my opinion) when it's really necessary.
When you race a fartcan civic with steel wheels you may not use it.

Louis

 

Always down for a fun run. I'm usually on okrechobee road
on Sundays or weds.

To be honest I thought the solstice was going to destroy me but he admitted he never brakeboosted nor nls so that was the difference maker.

 

no him being terrible at driving was the difference maker or a shitty ass tune... No-lift shifting is not going to make up the difference of stock vs tuned... 3rd gear in a stock TC pulls ridiculously weak... well, at least you think so after you drive the same car with just a tune

no one is going to buy what you are trying to sell...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4NTjtEJYU4

that is an excellent video showing the comparison, same driver, same day... tune not activated, tune activated... there is no driver a vs driver b there, because its the same guy, and its OBVIOUS which one is faster