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Old May 19, 2009 | 12:43 PM
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Race Intercooler?

We are building a huge front mount IC for our LNF Cobalt. I would like to know if others are interested in a product like this. It will be much larger than any other LNF ICs on the market, but will likely require modification to or deletion of the front bumper support. Post your thoughts/ideas on a product like this. Thanks.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 12:45 PM
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Interested, but deletion of the front bumper support...scary huh?

Price? Specs? approx. that is!
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Old May 19, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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What you are talking about all seems like a good idea for a track car only. It would be illegal on the street and your insurance company would eat you alive if you had a wreck.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by umrdyldo
What you are talking about all seems like a good idea for a track car only. It would be illegal on the street and your insurance company would eat you alive if you had a wreck.
X2!

any plans for anything that can handle 500? and looks nice!
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Old May 19, 2009 | 01:03 PM
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May be interested if you dont have to delete supports. I wont risk myself for some performance. But that is me!
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Old May 19, 2009 | 01:07 PM
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by front bumper support do you mean the crash bar?
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Old May 19, 2009 | 01:35 PM
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i believe so ^^
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Old May 19, 2009 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HunterKiller89
by front bumper support do you mean the crash bar?
Yes. We might just modify it to fit the larger IC.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Yes. We might just modify it to fit the larger IC.
A 12" x 24" x 3" will fit in there without modification. Anything thicker will require major modification or removal of the crash bar.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
A 12" x 24" x 3" will fit in there without modification. Anything thicker will require major modification or removal of the crash bar.
Don't be a girly man, a little trimming of the crash bar won't kill you
Or maybe offer a replacement crash bar like the srt4 guys have, they can stick 4.5" thick cores with it.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by peachpuff
Don't be a girly man, a little trimming of the crash bar won't kill you
You going to cut you bumper too so air can flow over that massive IC too? Too much volume for the stock turbo IMHO. Reasonably sized but efficient is better.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:45 PM
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why would you need something that big if the other aftermarket ones are good up to 600HP arent they?
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Old May 19, 2009 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gestapo007
why would you need something that big if the other aftermarket ones are good up to 600HP arent they?
That is what I was kinda wondering also.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gestapo007
why would you need something that big if the other aftermarket ones are good up to 600HP arent they?
It's not like they just work perfectly up to 600HP. What they consider adequate cooling may still be surpassed with a larger, more efficient core. Out of all the ICs on the market so far, the only one that I consider worth the upgrade is the Hahn IC, but once again, it costs a lot. Ours would come in less expensive and support higher boost levels than theirs. Of course that doesn't mean it would perform better on typical setups. It would be geared towards people pushing their cars harder or running turbo upgrades with 25+ psi.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 05:17 PM
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Ahh...so no hope for people who just wanna a bolt up turbo up to 600 hp intercooler?

A lot of people are looking for that.... at a reasonable price.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
It's not like they just work perfectly up to 600HP. What they consider adequate cooling may still be surpassed with a larger, more efficient core. Out of all the ICs on the market so far, the only one that I consider worth the upgrade is the Hahn IC, but once again, it costs a lot. Ours would come in less expensive and support higher boost levels than theirs. Of course that doesn't mean it would perform better on typical setups. It would be geared towards people pushing their cars harder or running turbo upgrades with 25+ psi.
Bigger isnt always better...What type of pressure drop will it have? Then if you keep the same design are you not going too just flow most of the air through the bottom core, making the top useless?

But then again I'm thinking small efficient coolers vs the current on the market.

Originally Posted by Mazdaboi318
Ahh...so no hope for people who just wanna a bolt up turbo up to 600 hp intercooler?

A lot of people are looking for that.... at a reasonable price.
Synapse has that...price can be considered reasonable if you wish...I dont even think 600hp is needed on the factory setup, even though that number is just a rating. I would go w/ an IC that has the lowest pressure drop and a better core design over just a high rating or lower rating (smaller)

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Old May 19, 2009 | 07:04 PM
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This seems like it's going to be way to big for most peoples setups.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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Synapse price is reasonable....i plan on doing a turbo swap in the future....ad putting down 340 hp and 390 tq on the stock turbo first
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Old May 19, 2009 | 11:27 PM
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thicker cores are not really the best way to go......IC start loosing efficiency after about 2.5 thick
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Old May 19, 2009 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by slowswap
This seems like it's going to be way to big for most peoples setups.
Yes, it is. That's why I would consider it a race IC.

Originally Posted by crazysteve
thicker cores are not really the best way to go......IC start loosing efficiency after about 2.5 thick
Efficiency relative to the volume of the IC may reduce, but then there are gains to be had from the increased fin area as well. I agree that between two intercoolers with the same volume, the thinner, taller one would outperform the thicker, shorter one, especially if the bumper opening allowed airflow over the entire core. The reality is that at 100+ mph in a Cobalt, a thicker IC will perform better.

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Old May 20, 2009 | 01:18 AM
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Obviosly this IC isnt ment for the stock turbo. Is ZZP going to make a smaller IC, for the lower boost levels? Also removal of the crash bar will scare people off IMO, you should see if you can fab an aftermarket crash bar for the "Race IC" as an option?
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