Some LNF #'s w/ upgrades
10-31-2007, 02:00 PM
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No methanol, no cooling mods! Just Area47's tunes!
10-31-2007, 03:37 PM
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I was talking the LNF cobalt will see higher numbers due to less drivetrain loss as opposed to the solstice GXP and sky redline. Considering all the dyno's of the LNF we have so far are from the GXP and RL, the cobalt should spit out numbers a little bit higher.
10-31-2007, 04:21 PM
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Not quite. Normal equation on a manual C6 would be 15% for the 6spd and 18% for the 6spd auto. Doesn't eat THAT much.
The Sky should see the same 15% for the manual and 18% for the automatic
People need to stop sugar coating numbers.. Ohh higher drive train loss.
The Sky should see the same 15% for the manual and 18% for the automatic
People need to stop sugar coating numbers.. Ohh higher drive train loss.
10-31-2007, 04:28 PM
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for the ding ding guys...you realize these lnf balts with TBE's and a tune are gonna be walking all over the 2.5" pullied cars with cooling mods, the works. Don't kid yourselves into thinking it is not a worthy upgrade. "oh the turbo is so small stock, you can't up the boost that much!"
do you guys realize how much power is on the table for the aftermarket with pretty much any production turbo car without even touching the stock boost level.
I dono how the turbo is set up on the lnf, but the good old up/down pipe combo's (no cats) with a catless setup from the turbo back along with a tune will yield you some great gains, throw on that intercooler and watch the 300whp. for fairly cheap.
do you guys realize how much power is on the table for the aftermarket with pretty much any production turbo car without even touching the stock boost level.
I dono how the turbo is set up on the lnf, but the good old up/down pipe combo's (no cats) with a catless setup from the turbo back along with a tune will yield you some great gains, throw on that intercooler and watch the 300whp. for fairly cheap.
10-31-2007, 04:29 PM
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10-31-2007, 04:34 PM
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there is many factors as to why irs sucks more than a solid. moving parts mainly, and rear end size itself. friction loss vis fluid. blah blah blah
10-31-2007, 04:43 PM
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ford 7.5 sucks less. And it can be made real strong real easily. Obviously it's not worth swapping to a built one from an 8.8" in any car equipped with it stock, but some of the guys with v6's that are pushing some big power numbers (usually the turbo guys) use 7.5"s with detroit true tracs, welded axle tubes, etc and they are putting down in the mid 500's torque wise.
10-31-2007, 05:04 PM
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Yeah the tune is expensive. The Bosch systems on these DI motors are very new and infact i think they BSR tuner was imported from europe since they at that point were the only ones able to hack into the ecu's. hptuners is working on getting them cracked as we type but haven't heard anything latley as to the progress made.
And before you go and make a cute ass ****** comment go read my reply to Area47's comment, I was talking Solstice GXP vs LNF Cobalt. Not every post about the new LNF is comparing it to the LSJ.....
And before you go and make a cute ass ****** comment go read my reply to Area47's comment, I was talking Solstice GXP vs LNF Cobalt. Not every post about the new LNF is comparing it to the LSJ.....
11-01-2007, 09:47 AM
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In all the LNF will be better. We all know it. We probably just wont admit that we jumped the gun on the SC version. But for myself. I would rather have a SC car than a TC. But power wise, get ready SC's
11-01-2007, 11:59 AM
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They should've kept the SC, its just American and non-rice (IMO!!!) for a American car to have its power from a fat V8 or a whiny ass supercharger tearin up the streets.
11-01-2007, 04:10 PM
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The LNF might not be underrated for HP but it is underrated for Torque. This engine makes more than 260 ft-lbs stock for sure. The BSR tune puts it at 330 ft-lbs (crank) on just the tune, and the announced as of yesterday GM Stage II makes 310 ft-lbs.
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11-01-2007, 04:37 PM
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This graph shows the main benefit of the LNF over the LSJ. Even with all those mods on the LSJ a bone stock LNF makes more Torque and makes it sooner. My RWD LNF put down 243 ft-lbs to the rear wheels stock, and 90% of that is available at 1500 RPM.
The LNF might not be underrated for HP but it is underrated for Torque. This engine makes more than 260 ft-lbs stock for sure. The BSR tune puts it at 330 ft-lbs (crank) on just the tune, and the announced as of yesterday GM Stage II makes 310 ft-lbs.
You know what's funny, the LSJ was made in Europe and shipped to America, the LNF is made in America.
The LNF might not be underrated for HP but it is underrated for Torque. This engine makes more than 260 ft-lbs stock for sure. The BSR tune puts it at 330 ft-lbs (crank) on just the tune, and the announced as of yesterday GM Stage II makes 310 ft-lbs.
You know what's funny, the LSJ was made in Europe and shipped to America, the LNF is made in America.
any of the sols/sky's with the lnf's int he 12's yet?!?!
11-01-2007, 04:45 PM
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....why does everyone think that turbos are ricey? ever heard of the mustang svo, the buick grand national, the turbo firebird/TA's, etc? some great great cars, and what a surprise the some of the top cars to modify for their time. Turbo's are as japanese as front wheel drive is. I doubt alot of you have driven a good turbo car.
11-01-2007, 05:38 PM
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Not yet, people are still trying to get the tuning and mods down right. The Hahn Stage IV base Solstice is in the 11s though with a bolt on Turbo kit, so I'm pretty sure we can do 12s once we get everything down with the engine.
11-01-2007, 05:59 PM
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11-04-2007, 01:54 PM
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