Treadstone Front Mount Intercooler Kit, Beta
Treadstone Front Mount Intercooler Kit, Beta
Group Buy: $250 per kit, @ 10 kits
ctn3mb
Dart_SI
KnightSS/TC
CudaJoe
seeyaass
After popular demand, and custom request, we are able to bring to the table a competitive alternative to stock front mount intercooler replacements.
Utilizing our TR8 intercoolers, custom mounting brackets, and 2 short 90 degree elbows, we have brought to the table a nice custom front mount intercooler set up without replacing all of the OEM intercooler piping, and without breaking the bank!
Our intercooler is mounted up high, higher than the stock intercooler, so you no longer have to worry about bottoming out the front end and cracking or damaging our intercooler!
With our heavy duty T-bolt clamps, you never have to worry about silicone popping of under boost!
Shout out to PBASS for all the help in bringing this product to the table
Shows how much higher our intercooler sits
Mounting locations
Ground Clearence
Group Buy:
ctn3mb
Dart_SI
KnightSS/TC
CudaJoe
ctn3mb
Dart_SI
KnightSS/TC
CudaJoe
seeyaass
After popular demand, and custom request, we are able to bring to the table a competitive alternative to stock front mount intercooler replacements.
Utilizing our TR8 intercoolers, custom mounting brackets, and 2 short 90 degree elbows, we have brought to the table a nice custom front mount intercooler set up without replacing all of the OEM intercooler piping, and without breaking the bank!
Our intercooler is mounted up high, higher than the stock intercooler, so you no longer have to worry about bottoming out the front end and cracking or damaging our intercooler!
With our heavy duty T-bolt clamps, you never have to worry about silicone popping of under boost!
Shout out to PBASS for all the help in bringing this product to the table
Shows how much higher our intercooler sits
Mounting locations
Ground Clearence
Group Buy:
ctn3mb
Dart_SI
KnightSS/TC
CudaJoe
Last edited by Treadstone; Feb 22, 2011 at 08:40 AM.
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From: Virginia
Jason, you'll like the ground clearance pix in the IC survey thread even better, look on page 2 (also posted some comments there).
Here's how the driver side elbow mounts up:
Here's the passenger side elbow:
Compared to stock:
Front of the driver side IC bracket that you saw edge-on in the other pic:
The end tank design is exactly like the best design pictured in the article I mentioned in the other thread. I like it that the air turns into and out of the IC using those elbows with their very generous radius. I think it's much better than trying to make that turn in the limited confines of the end tanks like the stocker does.
Here's how the driver side elbow mounts up:
Here's the passenger side elbow:
Compared to stock:
Front of the driver side IC bracket that you saw edge-on in the other pic:
The end tank design is exactly like the best design pictured in the article I mentioned in the other thread. I like it that the air turns into and out of the IC using those elbows with their very generous radius. I think it's much better than trying to make that turn in the limited confines of the end tanks like the stocker does.
I wished Treadstone existed at the time when the Cobalt SS/TC was released. They got awesome alternative products and better designs compare to ZZP, OTTP, and Dejon, but I have to give those other guys credit too. So two thumbs up to Treadstone and the other vendors.
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From: Virginia
Yeah. With the elbows in, the lateral distance from inlet to outlet is the same as stock, and the ends of the elbows are where the ends of the stockers are. The aluminum elbows are 2.5" and the stock rubber connectors are a little smaller. You can use some KY jelly or soapy water to lube the stock connectors and get 'em in. I guess Jason could make up elbows that neck down at the end a tad, but I'd squeeze the 2.5" into the stock connectors, because later when you get 2.5" aftermarket charge pipes, these elbows will fit the silicone connectors perfectly.
Because of that fact, it doesn't get the same AIR FLOW. Take a carefull look at this pick...the lower slit opening was designed to flow directly into the IC, this one sits well above that slit. Also, a portion of the TOP of this IC now sits above the grill opening, out of the path of direct air flow.
I don't know the net effect of this, but it doesn't get the same flow as the stock IC..or one that sits a bit lower..like the Modern IC.
I don't know the net effect of this, but it doesn't get the same flow as the stock IC..or one that sits a bit lower..like the Modern IC.
Last edited by ronn; Feb 16, 2011 at 08:08 PM.
I was pointing out the that this IC doesn't get flow from the lower slit and a portion of the TOP is above the grill opening. The stock IC (or a lower fitting one the the Modern IC) gets direct flow from both those sources. I don't know how that effects temps and efficiency, but it's something to consider here.
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From: Virginia
Because of that fact, it doesn't get the same AIR FLOW. Take a carefull look at this pick...the lower slit opening was designed to flow directly into the IC, this one sits well above that slit. Also, a portion of the TOP of this IC now sits above the grill opening, out of the path of direct air flow.
I don't know the net effect of this, but it doesn't get the same flow as the stock IC..or one that sits a bit lower..like the Modern IC.
I don't know the net effect of this, but it doesn't get the same flow as the stock IC..or one that sits a bit lower..like the Modern IC.
No doubt size of IC should be increased for road racing, which Edgar estimates may involve being on boost 70% of the time, as opposed to daily driving, which he estimates involves being on boost 5% of the time. But this is more due to the longer period of time the IC must wait to lose its heat in road racing. It is like a heat battery, and of course it must be bigger to store more heat. If it is soaked, it quits taking heat out of the charge.
If I were concerned with exposing more core to ambient airflow (which I don't, as the TR8 exposes plenty), I'd certainly choose the TR10 or TR12, which expose core above the crash bar as well as below it, but I would NOT choose a low-hanging design, certainly not as low as stock, because I just HATE bashing my IC off the street, which I've done twice with the stocker. Having my IC at a safe height is worth more than any theoretical gain to me.
Flow-wise, that is, internally, where most of the action takes place in an IC, I like this one a lot. After reading up on end tank design, I don't think I'd choose one that lacked the advantage of a cast smooth volute end tank. Also, I like the generously-radiused external aluminum elbow much better than having that turn of flow squinched inside an end tank.
I was completely unaware of Treadstone ICs. They weren't on my radar at all. I considered everything out there that anyone had posted about. I knew I didn't want a welded-up end tank. But I also knew I didn't want an IC that stood a chance of bouncing off the street. I was pretty much stalled out until I saw Jason's guinea pig discount offer here, and I figured it was worth a shot after Ryan told me it had plenty of ground clearance.
The longer I thought about the TR8/10/12, the more I liked it. I liked it even more after I put it on the car. Perfect fit. 25 shipping pounds of heat-holding metal. And I mean, EIGHT AND FIVE EIGHTHS INCHES GROUND CLEARANCE, LOWERED ON PEDDERS?
But like I say, the key to wrapping my brain around this was Julian Edgar's thoughts about the nature of ICs. There are a few articles dealing with this concept on that site. Well worth the time spent, because putting the IC behind the crash bar is the only way anyone has come up with to get safe clearance with a big IC on a Cobalt.
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From: Virginia
No, but see Ronn's post of Ryan's pic. Well heck let me get out to the parking lot, hold on a sec...sorry, can't figure out how to get a good pic at night out of this camera.
Everyday thinking about ICs is that they are like little radiators. If environmental airflow doesn't take away heat RIGHT NOW, it stays in the charge. However, Julian Edgar has corrected this thinking. The IC is rather a heat sink, which stores heat during boost and releases it after, of course into environmental airflow, but primarily into off-boost charge, which has no effect on performance.
No doubt size of IC should be increased for road racing, which Edgar estimates may involve being on boost 70% of the time, as opposed to daily driving, which he estimates involves being on boost 5% of the time. But this is more due to the longer period of time the IC must wait to lose its heat in road racing. It is like a heat battery, and of course it must be bigger to store more heat. If it is soaked, it quits taking heat out of the charge.
If I were concerned with exposing more core to ambient airflow (which I don't, as the TR8 exposes plenty), I'd certainly choose the TR10 or TR12, which expose core above the crash bar as well as below it, but I would NOT choose a low-hanging design, certainly not as low as stock, because I just HATE bashing my IC off the street, which I've done twice with the stocker. Having my IC at a safe height is worth more than any theoretical gain to me.
Flow-wise, that is, internally, where most of the action takes place in an IC, I like this one a lot. After reading up on end tank design, I don't think I'd choose one that lacked the advantage of a cast smooth volute end tank. Also, I like the generously-radiused external aluminum elbow much better than having that turn of flow squinched inside an end tank.
I was completely unaware of Treadstone ICs. They weren't on my radar at all. I considered everything out there that anyone had posted about. I knew I didn't want a welded-up end tank. But I also knew I didn't want an IC that stood a chance of bouncing off the street. I was pretty much stalled out until I saw Jason's guinea pig discount offer here, and I figured it was worth a shot after Ryan told me it had plenty of ground clearance.
The longer I thought about the TR8/10/12, the more I liked it. I liked it even more after I put it on the car. Perfect fit. 25 shipping pounds of heat-holding metal. And I mean, EIGHT AND FIVE EIGHTHS INCHES GROUND CLEARANCE, LOWERED ON PEDDERS?
But like I say, the key to wrapping my brain around this was Julian Edgar's thoughts about the nature of ICs. There are a few articles dealing with this concept on that site. Well worth the time spent, because putting the IC behind the crash bar is the only way anyone has come up with to get safe clearance with a big IC on a Cobalt.
No doubt size of IC should be increased for road racing, which Edgar estimates may involve being on boost 70% of the time, as opposed to daily driving, which he estimates involves being on boost 5% of the time. But this is more due to the longer period of time the IC must wait to lose its heat in road racing. It is like a heat battery, and of course it must be bigger to store more heat. If it is soaked, it quits taking heat out of the charge.
If I were concerned with exposing more core to ambient airflow (which I don't, as the TR8 exposes plenty), I'd certainly choose the TR10 or TR12, which expose core above the crash bar as well as below it, but I would NOT choose a low-hanging design, certainly not as low as stock, because I just HATE bashing my IC off the street, which I've done twice with the stocker. Having my IC at a safe height is worth more than any theoretical gain to me.
Flow-wise, that is, internally, where most of the action takes place in an IC, I like this one a lot. After reading up on end tank design, I don't think I'd choose one that lacked the advantage of a cast smooth volute end tank. Also, I like the generously-radiused external aluminum elbow much better than having that turn of flow squinched inside an end tank.
I was completely unaware of Treadstone ICs. They weren't on my radar at all. I considered everything out there that anyone had posted about. I knew I didn't want a welded-up end tank. But I also knew I didn't want an IC that stood a chance of bouncing off the street. I was pretty much stalled out until I saw Jason's guinea pig discount offer here, and I figured it was worth a shot after Ryan told me it had plenty of ground clearance.
The longer I thought about the TR8/10/12, the more I liked it. I liked it even more after I put it on the car. Perfect fit. 25 shipping pounds of heat-holding metal. And I mean, EIGHT AND FIVE EIGHTHS INCHES GROUND CLEARANCE, LOWERED ON PEDDERS?
But like I say, the key to wrapping my brain around this was Julian Edgar's thoughts about the nature of ICs. There are a few articles dealing with this concept on that site. Well worth the time spent, because putting the IC behind the crash bar is the only way anyone has come up with to get safe clearance with a big IC on a Cobalt.
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Ronn, I'll just go ahead and help you and Pbass out real quick... At cruise the IAT on my HP tuners stays right at ambient maybe 2 degrees higher at the MOST. On a single hard pull it will go up about 6-8 degress above ambient. That is like a 20mph 2nd gear to 4th gear, say 125mph pull. With a stocker, it would heat up about 10-15 degrees on the same pull. The other thing is that after I coast it back down to say 40mph I can hit another pull right away to 125mph and it will stay below 10degrees until I'm on my 4th or 5th pull, then I will be pushing barely above 10 degrees above ambient. I almost never see more than 10 degrees above ambient air temps according to the HP tuner software and the center display temp gauge. Generally I am at sea level, San Diego stays at like 60-70% humidity all year.
Once I see a few people install these, specially with a injen CP I'll look at buying it depending how the install goes. Once pbass said he would beta test it, I held off on a IC until he tried it. I do agree on the end tanks, for sure.
Ronn, I'll just go ahead and help you and Pbass out real quick... At cruise the IAT on my HP tuners stays right at ambient maybe 2 degrees higher at the MOST. On a single hard pull it will go up about 6-8 degress above ambient. That is like a 20mph 2nd gear to 4th gear, say 125mph pull. With a stocker, it would heat up about 10-15 degrees on the same pull. .
Something else I completley over looked. This IC is NARROWER as well!
Yours
Mine (stock):
Bottom shot for ground clearance comparison:
Stock
Treadstone:
Last edited by ronn; Feb 16, 2011 at 10:53 PM.
funny how genuine saab's IC looks very similar to Treadstone's TR08 IC, minus the 90* elbows welded onto the genuine saab one. Here's a pic of genuine saab's for those of you curious:
not bashing either company's product...just making an observation.
not bashing either company's product...just making an observation.
$300+shipping it looks like to me.
Cobalt Intercooler Kit, Beta- TREADSTONE PERFORMANCE
Cobalt Intercooler Kit, Beta- TREADSTONE PERFORMANCE