Fixxed. And yeh, I agree completely. I think that custom HPTunes are best for best power, trifecta is best for great power with versatility, SCT is best for some power and safeness, and GM is best for some power and...warranty? Even though warranties are getting harder to take advantage of nowadays.

I believe the same thing will happen to the CSS guys that happened to the HHR guys when it comes to the stage kit. Get it, wont be satisfied with the power, and then get retuned with new sensors.

 

No but its not always about the hp and tq numbers. Its all about how the car performs over all!

 

Exactly, I like how the stage kit does not change first gear. I like how it will still be a good daily driver tune yet still improve the power. I am defiantly doing stage 1 gm.

 

Until someone has driven all examples of these tunes, no one can really, honestly comment on how they are. I think everyone can agree that a good tuner with HPT will always be the best option regardless of what you are looking for as they can be as mild or as aggressive as you want.

Stage 1 will always be the best option for warranty reasons. I agree that Vince has "hidden" his tuning but we all know if something major happens (i.e. blown engine) they are going to find that tune. We've had engineers and GM Techs on here who have confirmed you can dig enough and find the Trifecta tune if you really want to.

 

any tune is discoverable.....it just depends on how hard you work to find it. but like isaid from what ive read the current sensors are that are on the car are good to 28psi....the turbo maxs at 25psi. unless you plan on a turbo upgrade which will void yor warrenty anyways i jsut dont see the point. if you purchase the data cable with the trifecta tune you can always load your stock tune back into the car and take it into the dealer for warrenty work.....or fortunately for some of us we know gm techs that will "not notice" certain things done to the car.

 

Yeah unfortunately not all of us have a friend that is a gm tech that will let things slide.

 

I can drive it stock or tuned with the push of a button and either way it does perform great! To each his own.......

 

Well say what you want, but the power to switch from stock to over 22spi is a GREAT thing. Can a GM tune do that? NOPE. Can an HP tune do that? NOPE. Can TRIFECTA do it? YEP, and does it well I might add. My commute is 105 miles a day. I leave it in stock trim and see stock mpg, which in combined driving has been 27-29mpg. When I wanna whip someone's ass, I tap the Performance button twice and have 22+psi at my ass whippin disposal. All that for a $450 investment? NOBODY can touch Trifecta with a 10 foot pole guys......seriously.

 

^^^TRUTH^^^ Trifecta = innovation, on call excellent customer service, not to mention some of the best 1/4 mile times posted w/bolt-ons...and it's just plain cool to tap a button and wham tires squeal see yaaaaaaa


GM = months and months of waiting for sensors that have been available for the kappa cars the whole time, no tune yet, then you get to pay more when the intake stuff comes out and outta that you get weak #'s. Personally, I feel that this "stage" kit should be a freebie for so much of our money:

"Of that $97.4 billion, a total of $24.9 billion has already been paid out to General Motors, GMAC, Chrysler and Chrysler Financial. If the entire amount were paid out, every American would then have contributed $874 to the auto rescue/bailout."

[Source: Detroit Free Press]

That was as of Feb. So GM how about an owner loyalty upgrade?

 

Would love it... but the day that happens pigs will fly and hell will freeze over all in one fowl swoop.

But to get back on subject... it seems like the majority is saying to stick it out and get the kit... and at this point I'm having a hard time disagreeing with them. Warranty is too much for me to lose considering you can keep it and still NLS with the Stage 1 kit... and with my luck i'd be the first one to have my tune found when i go in for warranty work and lose it all.

 

Nelson heres a Link check out the price of the GMPP tune its a little cheaper. You don't have to buy the kit from your dealer the just have to Install it.

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results...umber=19212670
for the Solstice GXP its around 450.00

 

Shipping is around $80 from there. There are other options out there but still at that price it's not bad.

 

Stage 1 w/charge piping,intercooler,intake,downpipe and exhaust
then cops will think its 50 state smog legal

 

Not true. TriFecta can also "see the problems then and there, adjust for them, and you have to wait no time at all". And, TriFecta can do it all from thousands of miles away via "remote dyno tuning", all in real time. Something no other tuner or tuning software company can offer.

TriFecta tunes are written to allow the boost to ramp up, thus allowing 1st gear to be completely driveable. With the "select-a-tune" feature, you can drive with the stock tune and switch to 22+ psi of boost at the touch of a button.

I have installed boost tubing on a couple HHR's with the GM stage kit. I have to say the sensor placement and orientation on the cold side boost tube is terrible. With the 90 degree bend added into the sensor, the sensor harness is pressed directly into the aluminum coolant line. It seems the design was poorly done or done in a rush. Which deosn't make sense since it took them forever to release it.

 

WELL CURRENTLY I HAVE A BOOST CONTROLLER ON MINE SET AT 19LBS SMETIMES HITTING 20 AND I LOVE IT. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS IF YOU STAY AT OVER 21LBS LONGER THEN 3SEC GOES INTO LIMP MODE. BUT IF U CAN CONTROL IT AT 19-20LBS U HAVE A CHEAP MOD AND CAN HAVE FUN TILL U CAN AFFORD THE MOD U REALLY WANT OR HAVE BOTH. I HAVE HAD IT ON MY CAR FOR A MOS NO DAMAGE AND RUNS STRONG CAN TELL A DIFFERENCE IN POWER AND ACCEL..

 

Take caps off god dam dude.

 

Like I said before, stupid. Your AFRs have to be wack. If they werent then you should be able to boost up to 25psi.

 

With the trifecta gains is there any way to put a limit on the boost psi? If I got a boost limiter would that just defeat the purpose of the tune? I've been reading the comparisons on here between the trifecta and GMPP and trying to figure out which way to go.

Reason I ask is I want the gains but I don't want to be throwing too much boost into my car and have something blow.

 

you can ask vince for whatever psi you want with the trifecta tune, he will make to your order

 

Update.... Talked to Dan from Clear Image today about DP and a tune. Great guy, anyone on the fence about CIA needs to check it out! Took half an hour out of his day to talk to me about stuff. Anyway... he said Vince is still confident that the tech2 can't read the tune... which leaves me where I started off. Where to go from here idk... anyone wanna sell me either way?

 

I picked up my GMMP Kit up for $385 plus $13.00 shipped from a guy on ebay, unopened, original gm parts. Had it installed last week and works great. This guy throws them up there time to time, me and another guy both have this kit on our HHR SS and they are working flawlessly. The kit is the latest version with a EO# that ends with 25.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/19212...d=p3911.c0.m14


Now when you take into consideration what I paid for the kit, plus I get to keep my warranty I think that is a pretty good deal (what gm should have charged to start with for the GMPP kit). I'll add a tune over the GMPP kit down the line after I get some use out of my warranty, by then I'm sure there will be some amazing tunes out that tune over the GMPP kit. I can still always add bolt ons to the GMPP kit also since the learn down feature is removed and have the tune over done for the bolt on parts later.

 

I am not sure why this is still even being debated.
You want to just get a tune and not worry about warranty and have no plans on upgrading past I/E/IC , then just go with an aftermarket tuner now. You want warranty now and the ability to utilize the new sensors just wait. Then when the warranty is up , I am sure that the aftermarket community will find new tunes with the new OS.
And then from there I am sure that there will debates and mud throwing about stgI verus factory power yada yada yada.

Just decide what you want for the future and choose. Quit all the bickering about which is better, they all serve different goals.

 

Lol what you see as bickering I see as a spirited talk about the advantages and disadvantages of both. Although it would be nice for people to use the search function more as I'm sure it has been talked about before.

 

buy a second ecm with a tune on it

 

For those who didn't know, TriFecta can tune over a GM stage tune with the new sensors. And, the Trifecta tune will still be hidden.