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08BlackSS/TC 12-07-2008 01:07 AM


Originally Posted by cobaltssoverbooster (Post 3175205)
correct the charge psi sensor will see 255kg when 22.5 psi is reached. the fuel tables all happen to end exactly at 225kg so by going to 23psi you have just gone into a zone where there are absolutely no values, thus the computer will disregard the psi sensors input and go into limp home mode, it must see over 225kg for 3 sec before limp home mode is activated.

the only way to get arround this i am told, is put a clamp on the signal back to the ecm for the map sensor. by lowering voltage back you can then run whatever psi you wish, ex: 26psi and you will not exceed the end of the table @ 225kg, although the downside to this "clamping" is the whole fuel table is thrown off and must be tuned appropriately. its time consuming.

by getting the stage kit not only do you get the upgraded psi sensors but by factory only you get a extended fuel table file via download and flash, and that alone is what holds us back from making the higher numbers, so yes as explained you can get around this but the gm kit will not only look better but also reduce headaches in the long run.

for more on map clamping i would suggest posting on hptuners forums. and please dont bring your attitude to the hpt forums, everyone there is very nice and most of the time willing to help with the whatever is causing you trouble.

finally, another intellegent person :thumb:

MARIN007 12-07-2008 01:25 AM

"*Warranty is void if kit is used for racing"

Guess they're referring to if you get caught racing by the police.

cobaltssoverbooster 12-07-2008 01:40 AM


Originally Posted by 08BlackSS/TC (Post 3175327)
finally, another intellegent person :thumb:

ive tuned a few lsj's
i own a lnf but when i get to tuning that i will be screwed haha
i dont know anything about tuning it specifiacally like hpt tables and that stuff
i will push to understand it though

correction to previous descriptive post, table maxes out at 255kpa

08BlackSS/TC 12-07-2008 01:44 AM


Originally Posted by cobaltssoverbooster (Post 3175410)
ive tuned a few lsj's
i own a lnf but when i get to tuning that i will be screwed haha
i dont know anything about tuning it specifiacally like hpt tables and that stuff
i will push to understand it though

correction to previous descriptive post, table maxes out at 255kpa

I think tuning a LNF is easier than a LSJ, so you shouldn't have a problem if you've tuned LSJ's before

cobaltssoverbooster 12-07-2008 01:48 AM


Originally Posted by 08BlackSS/TC (Post 3175416)
I think tuning a LNF is easier than a LSJ, so you shouldn't have a problem if you've tuned LSJ's before

hmm really, yeah now im doing my cuz's 05 ss/sc 60lbers w/ 2.8, dual bypass, all the goodies haha injectors were a bitch to get idling :lol:

peachpuff 12-07-2008 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by 08BlackSS/TC (Post 3175416)
I think tuning a LNF is easier than a LSJ, so you shouldn't have a problem if you've tuned LSJ's before

Tuning the lnf is easy as pie, theres no stupid ve tables to worry about at all.
Clamping the two map sensors should work in theory and shouldn't be any harder to tune at all since the maf is reporting the correct airflow, the pressure in those sensors doesn't really matter.

steddy2112 12-07-2008 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by MARIN007 (Post 3175369)
"*Warranty is void if kit is used for racing"

Guess they're referring to if you get caught racing by the police.

Drag racing at a track is still racing.

peachpuff 12-07-2008 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by steddy2112 (Post 3175872)
Drag racing at a track is still racing.

So is running through the gears on the street basically racing? Is going wide open throttle racing? Its such a broad term...

steddy2112 12-07-2008 10:25 AM

Your warranty is not there to sponsor anyone on this site.

If you are THAT worried about you warranty


drive like you care.

MARIN007 12-07-2008 10:41 AM

If racing to them is wide open throttle then everyones warranty is void as soon as they want to see if the GM tune did anything, lol.

MaxVQ35DE 12-07-2008 11:33 AM

denying coverage to me for racing to me is otherwise they can talk to my lawyer
A: caught by police racing
B: having your car towed from a race track or dragstrip cause you blew somethin up.
C: not wiping the numbers off your back windshield when you complain about your LSD not working anymore

but yes if you run your car at a track NLSing all the time, you really cant expect warranty coverage, but i believe that spirited backroad driving shouldnt make equipment fail.

cobaltssoverbooster 12-07-2008 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by 08BlackSS/TC (Post 3175416)
I think tuning a LNF is easier than a LSJ, so you shouldn't have a problem if you've tuned LSJ's before

what is the afr range for the lnf?
the lsj runs beautiful around 11.3-11.5 safe
11.5-11.7 balls on the wall

i just need to know what i have to aim for
i figured out the boost controll under the desired air load section
i need to set the afr to to good spot and then timing is easy and i will be hurting a little on cams lol dont know squat on adjusting those.

choko 12-07-2008 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by cobaltssoverbooster (Post 3176260)
what is the afr range for the lnf?
the lsj runs beautiful around 11.3-11.5 safe
11.5-11.7 balls on the wall

i just need to know what i have to aim for
i figured out the boost controll under the desired air load section
i need to set the afr to to good spot and then timing is easy and i will be hurting a little on cams lol dont know squat on adjusting those.

sometimes 12.5

cobaltssoverbooster 12-07-2008 12:42 PM

that lnf or lsj i have heard ours love to pig rich like total soot cannon :lol:

peachpuff 12-07-2008 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by cobaltssoverbooster (Post 3176260)
what is the afr range for the lnf?

14.0 from 2000rpm that gradually dips to 12.8 at 5320 rpm.

08BlackSS/TC 12-07-2008 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by peachpuff (Post 3176306)
14.0 from 2000rpm that gradually dips to 12.8 at 5320 rpm.

listen to the man! :cssNET:

steddy2112 12-07-2008 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by cobaltssoverbooster (Post 3176295)
that lnf or lsj i have heard ours love to pig rich like total soot cannon :lol:

Soot does not mean rich man.

LNF runs lean compared to most cars, and it soots.

cobaltssoverbooster 12-07-2008 03:27 PM

whats the best afr ?

90TGP 12-07-2008 03:37 PM

All direct-injection engine's are sooty. Even Mazda's and BMW's.

agent007kimball 12-07-2008 11:44 PM

Will launch control be changed in any way with this kit?

cobaltssoverbooster 12-07-2008 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by agent007kimball (Post 3179040)
Will launch control be changed in any way with this kit?

maybe the rev limiter could be lowered to aid with hookup but as far as function it works the same, must turn it on and once on the move it switches to just esp off mode. the function is in the bcm and cannot be deleted or changed, at least yet....someone could get mad and figure something out eventually im sure.

Nuke 08-07-2013 12:48 AM

So I traded my G5 in for the 09 ss/tc. The dealership said it was completely stock but I noticed I was getting 20-22 psi instead of the 17ish I've researched from stock. So I then found the GM sticker under the hood with the part number. I then googled the number (#19212670), which is the LNF upgrade kit. Which is good because it's under warranty. Now lets say I want the ZZP DP, an air intake and charge pipes. Now would this ruin the warranty? Would I have to get a tune if I put those bolt ons on?

jg707 08-07-2013 10:54 AM

This thread is 5 years old and dead. start a new one if you have questions, or search for the answer. As far as that ruining your warranty, that completely depends on your local dealership's service technicians.

Tomtwtwtw 08-08-2013 11:37 AM

jg nailed it...all of the above could potentially ruin your warranty. Maybe do a little research in your area to see if there are any mod-friendly dealerships if you are worried about it. Or wait till next year when your powertrain coverage is up before you go nuts.

tomj77 08-08-2013 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Nuke (Post 7122089)
So I traded my G5 in for the 09 ss/tc. The dealership said it was completely stock but I noticed I was getting 20-22 psi instead of the 17ish I've researched from stock. So I then found the GM sticker under the hood with the part number. I then googled the number (#19212670), which is the LNF upgrade kit. Which is good because it's under warranty. Now lets say I want the ZZP DP, an air intake and charge pipes. Now would this ruin the warranty? Would I have to get a tune if I put those bolt ons on?

the only thing u listed that can void ur warrenty is downpipe because ur removing cats which is part of the emissions system

umrdyldo 08-08-2013 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by tomj77 (Post 7123393)
the only thing u listed that can void ur warrenty is downpipe because ur removing cats which is part of the emissions system

Not necessarily true,

Even though legally that may be true, unless you have a cheap lawyer, you will have a tough fight with a dealership if something fails and you have an intake and downpipe.

But with that being said, you can switch them out before taking in for warranty work and they won't know the difference.


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