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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 11:53 AM
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2.6 Pulley Questions

Just put my 06 away for the winter. Gonna start doing some work on it. I wanna get a 2.6 pulley and 60# injectors from zzp. Just wondering what else i will need to order with it. Do i need a shorter belt? And i already have a heat exchange.
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 11:55 AM
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Im also buying colder plugs. And having it tuned in the spring.
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 11:57 AM
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sub'd but i believe thats all you need to be safe
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 11:59 AM
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Dual pass, make sure ure ic pump is good, puey puller from zzp do ure sc oil, larger tensioner puley, a grinding tool for the tensioner itself, a good tune, exaust, head downpipe foe good flow, Intake for better throttle response and cooler air.... iridium spark plugs step two,colder, .ngk only............ harness with the 60s
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 12:04 PM
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You aren't going to see any gains over a 2.8 without meth.
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 12:07 PM
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You aren't going to see any gains over a 2.8 without meth.
bullshit.

2.6, 60's, H/E, tune, interceptor, intake perf... exhaust pref... have fun with the torque
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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bullshit.

2.6, 60's, H/E, tune, interceptor, intake perf... exhaust pref... have fun with the torque
How is that bullshit? Tis the truth. That's the problem with this community wanting more power but not wanting to dish out to do it right. A smaller pulley on the same mods is going to be worthless compared to a larger one with the same mods. Sorry.
Only way you're justified in running anything lower than a 2.8 is meth or e85 with all the cooling mods really...
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 12:42 PM
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you should get a P&P head and build your head with some cams. I hear the exhaust side of the 2.0L ecotec is pretty restrictive from factory. I have heard of someone getting 50whp off a good P&P job.
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chevycobaltss3
Dual pass, make sure ure ic pump is good, puey puller from zzp do ure sc oil, larger tensioner puley, a grinding tool for the tensioner itself, a good tune, exaust, head downpipe foe good flow, Intake for better throttle response and cooler air.... iridium spark plugs step two,colder, .ngk only............ harness with the 60s
what is a dual pass?
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 01:21 PM
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you should get a P&P head and build your head with some cams. I hear the exhaust side of the 2.0L ecotec is pretty restrictive from factory. I have heard of someone getting 50whp off a good P&P job.
Already planning on it lol. Next winter though. Dont have the money yet
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How is that bullshit? Tis the truth. That's the problem with this community wanting more power but not wanting to dish out to do it right. A smaller pulley on the same mods is going to be worthless compared to a larger one with the same mods. Sorry.
Only way you're justified in running anything lower than a 2.8 is meth or e85 with all the cooling mods really...
regardless you are making more power on a 2.6 than a 2.8... so you cant tell me it isn't bullshit
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m62=garbage just sayn
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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regardless you are making more power on a 2.6 than a 2.8... so you cant tell me it isn't bullshit
It's blatantly apparent that you have 0% idea of what you are talking about with a reply like that, just sayin.
Unless you are using meth or e85 anything below a 2.8, you could make the same or more on a larger pulley...
I will take a 3.0 and 2x degrees of timing over an improperly modified car 2.7 and no cooling or minimal with 15deg of timing..
The only time you are making more is if you have the proper supporting mods which the op does not, and you don't really make more power just torque...who needs more tq on a fwd car though.
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 02:56 PM
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Oh yeah, that was me telling you it wasn't bullshit. .
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Originally Posted by 05Slowline
It's blatantly apparent that you have 0% idea of what you are talking about with a reply like that, just sayin.
Unless you are using meth or e85 anything below a 2.8, you could make the same or more on a larger pulley...
I will take a 3.0 and 2x degrees of timing over an improperly modified car 2.7 and no cooling or minimal with 15deg of timing..
The only time you are making more is if you have the proper supporting mods which the op does not, and you don't really make more power just torque...who needs more tq on a fwd car though.
you make more power, and you make more torque... but the gains in torque are much higher than the gains in HP... and that gain in torque makes a noticeable difference.

you can run a 2.6 with 22* easily... i have and have a 18* along at others.... I don't have an m62 anymore nor the car so I don't care to prove a point that has been proved before.

and for you to ask who needs more torque. Why would you mod a car if you didn't want more torque or power?

You can make more power with a 2.6 VS 2.8

ignorance at its finest.
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slowline doing his best arguing like always lol
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 05Slowline
It's blatantly apparent that you have 0% idea of what you are talking about with a reply like that, just sayin.
Unless you are using meth or e85 anything below a 2.8, you could make the same or more on a larger pulley...
I will take a 3.0 and 2x degrees of timing over an improperly modified car 2.7 and no cooling or minimal with 15deg of timing..
The only time you are making more is if you have the proper supporting mods which the op does not, and you don't really make more power just torque...who needs more tq on a fwd car though.
Is horsepower not just a calculation based on torque and RPM?

Power (hp) = Torque (ft-lb) * RPM / 5252 specifically.

If your creating more power, your creating more torque (unless you just raise the redline, which I guess is "making more" still).

I agree with what your saying about the pulley and IAT2's etc, but saying "You don't make more power, only torque" doesn't seem right to me. It may not be peak HP but it would still be creating it along the curve.

Joel

Edit : Whoops, looks like Cefaln452 kinda beat me to it.
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along with that... if you are modding the correct way, you would then have all the supporting mods(cooling mods, H/e ect) to go along with a 2.6
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Originally Posted by Cefaln452
you make more power, and you make more torque... but the gains in torque are much higher than the gains in HP... and that gain in torque makes a noticeable difference.

you can run a 2.6 with 22* easily... i have and have a 18* along at others.... I don't have an m62 anymore nor the car so I don't care to prove a point that has been proved before.

and for you to ask who needs more torque. Why would you mod a car if you didn't want more torque or power?

You can make more power with a 2.6 VS 2.8

ignorance at its finest.
You seem to not be wrapping your head around the big picture. 1st, Look at peoples dynos who have done back to back dynos comparing the different setups, they gained 1 or 2hp and 5-10tq or lost hp. Now this can be "manipulated" through different tuning styles but we won't go there for now. 2nd, you are not going to run 22* on a 2.6 and benefit from it over a larger pulley unless you are using e85 or meth. That is what this community is so hellbent on doing and 99% of them don't have the mods to compliment it. Look at all the kids who buy ott stage 2 and slap on a 2.8 and a h/e and custom tune. They're making less power than people with larger pulleys and smaller injectors. If that doesn't speak to the point then you are just being a naysayer. It's common sense not rocket science.
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Gosh gosh gosh. A lowet pulley will create a better power curve but in the end create less power. On top. .. hint meth/e85 so technically u get more power on the bottom end. So slowline is right but so is everyone else lol..
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Originally Posted by CanadianCobalt
Is horsepower not just a calculation based on torque and RPM?

Power (hp) = Torque (ft-lb) * RPM / 5252 specifically.

If your creating more power, your creating more torque (unless you just raise the redline, which I guess is "making more" still).

I agree with what your saying about the pulley and IAT2's etc, but saying "You don't make more power, only torque" doesn't seem right to me. It may not be peak HP but it would still be creating it along the curve.

Joel

Edit : Whoops, looks like Cefaln452 kinda beat me to it.
I'm speaking purely on peak #'s off of dyno's. Hence where I'm coming from. Yes on a smaller pulley with proper mods you will have a better powerband throughout. 260hp from 3k ramping up past where most go is crazy and worth it I agree, I'm not disconcerting that. Again without the proper mods the whole idea is useless and it's apparent the op isn't near ready.
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The most I could run with a 2.6 no meth and no e85 was 20...... no kr and this was a maf/ve tune between 1-2 off..
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in the end... your power/torque curve shifts resulting in MORE power/torque in different regions. but with the proper tune things can fix that to a certain extent
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 05Slowline
I'm speaking purely on peak #'s off of dyno's. Hence where I'm coming from. Yes on a smaller pulley with proper mods you will have a better powerband throughout. 260hp from 3k ramping up past where most go is crazy and worth it I agree, I'm not disconcerting that. Again without the proper mods the whole idea is useless and it's apparent the op isn't near ready.
Argueing for the sake of argueing then?

Anyways, this this good info for the OP. If your going to drop pulleys do it right and you can have a nasty car and have fun.

Joel
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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This is good info. I'm on the fence about this also. I have a 2.6" pulley to bolt on but just unsure if i should. I run meth but after talking to ralli he ran a 2.5" with meth and i guess with the two it created a lot of cylinder pressure and ended up cracking a sleeve. Definatly don't want that lol. And you arent supposed to do back to back pulls running such a small pulley so it has me concerned about when i go to the track. Can anyone chime in on experience?
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