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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 11:54 PM
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alky injection installed, less boost?

well tonight i installed my coolingmist deluxe kit with m5 nozzle and i put in 50/50 meth and water windsheild washer fluid and the chargers cooler than before the alky kit but im seeing less boost, anyone know if the mixture could cause this or what? thanks
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 02:17 AM
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hmmm i dont think the injection would mess w/ boost numbers
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 07:23 AM
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Where did you place the nozzle? If it is after the supercharger, there may be a chance that you are leaking boost out of the hole you tapped for the nozzle.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 08:32 AM
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i placed the nozzle right before the throttle body about 5 inches away, im gonna check my T fittings and all today since its light out and see what happens, thanks guys.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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yea im pretty sure the injecters dont have nothing too do with the boost...

hope you fix the prob...
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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some people will say it's ok to spray that before the blower but i still say no, and the guys at intense agreed with me. i wouldn't shoot through the blower man. that's why i took mine off in the first place when i found out it was bad for the supercharger.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 03:37 PM
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some people will say it's ok to spray that before the blower but i still say no, and the guys at intense agreed with me. i wouldn't shoot through the blower man. that's why i took mine off in the first place when i found out it was bad for the supercharger.
There is nothing that proves meth will eat away at the supercharger, supercharger seals, or any of your internals. It WAS bad for older generation superchargers but not the newer ones (the supercharger ones from what I hear). Go look at the Cobra forums. Many people with superchargers run meth for tens of thousands of miles with no harm done to the supercharger.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 03:41 PM
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Well when I had my 01 Z24 with the GM charger I had an Alky kit setup just like this guy, then a month or 2 later my blower started to make a grinding noise. Had it rebuilt a near by perormance shop and the tech told me that if you run it pre blower this will happen all the time. He also told me that it leads to 60% of there rebuilds.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 03:42 PM
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i placed the nozzle right before the throttle body about 5 inches away, im gonna check my T fittings and all today since its light out and see what happens, thanks guys.
So I am guessing that you have a roots style supercharger. Do you have a wideband? Meth will run you about half a point richer and you car may be taking in to much fuel in the top end. If you have a centrifugal(sp?) supercharger, I would say to check to see if you are leaking boost out of the nozzle's hole.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 03:53 PM
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Well when I had my 01 Z24 with the GM charger I had an Alky kit setup just like this guy, then a month or 2 later my blower started to make a grinding noise. Had it rebuilt a near by perormance shop and the tech told me that if you run it pre blower this will happen all the time. He also told me that it leads to 60% of there rebuilds.

What mix were you running? Was it meth or alcohol? What kind of supercharger was it because I wasn't aware that the Z24 had a supercharger?
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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denser air = less boost , since the s/c doesnt have to work as hard to get its effency

you should have more power overall , even with the lower boost level , because of the added effency

and for your mix , your using a 50/50 mix of meth and water , and added washer fluid to the mix ??

you want to run between 40-45% meth , the balance in distilled water

being that the cobalt is intercooled to begin with , id just beusing straight distilled water

methanol is a corrosive fuel , and in higher levels is said to eat the coating off the s/c rotors

how much of that i believe , im not sure of , since ive know alot of people to use it with no problems for over 70,000 miles
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SRT-4_UK
What mix were you running? Was it meth or alcohol? What kind of supercharger was it because I wasn't aware that the Z24 had a supercharger?

GM made a kit for the 2.4 twin cams as a upgrade

ive got the proto type on my cav , click link for pic

http://www.azjbo.org/forum/garage.ph...od&image_id=33
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SRT-4_UK
There is nothing that proves meth will eat away at the supercharger,

there's also no evidence of WMD, but we still went to war 'eh?
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 08:27 PM
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There are alot of guys running alky on boosted vehicles. I deal alot with the grand prixs and the M90s and most of those guys put the nozzle between the throttle body and the super


as for less boost, it has to do with cooler air at the same denscity at less PSI. there for you can add more air with out creating dentation. the idea of alky is to cool the air to add boost. it is the same reason why a intercooler is added too
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 10:39 PM
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well im using windsheild washer fluid right now and all i could find was 8% meth and 92% water so this could also be why im seeing less boost maybe, im getting some pure meth this week and mixing it in a 1 gallon jug so its 50/50 with water and that should fix my problem but the fluid im using now seems to cool the charger off decently to where its alittle warm.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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bringing a dead thread back, i called autometer cause i see that my vac when the car is off is at -2 and they said the gauge is out of calibration and to send it in for a new one with no paperwork needed, so hell yeah.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 05:37 PM
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Would you post a few pictures of your W/I setup?
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 06:55 PM
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here ya go, the blue ziptie is only temporary as the injector its holding for the meth injection will be tapped into a throttle body plate between the charger and the throttle body so it wont short out my TPS due to water getting in there from the injection.





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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 97cavie24ls
denser air = less boost , since the s/c doesnt have to work as hard to get its effency

you should have more power overall , even with the lower boost level , because of the added effency

and for your mix , your using a 50/50 mix of meth and water , and added washer fluid to the mix ??

you want to run between 40-45% meth , the balance in distilled water

being that the cobalt is intercooled to begin with , id just beusing straight distilled water

methanol is a corrosive fuel , and in higher levels is said to eat the coating off the s/c rotors

how much of that i believe , im not sure of , since ive know alot of people to use it with no problems for over 70,000 miles
I don't think i can take much more of the BS info being shared on here

Cool air is dense, Hot air is thinner

There is no teflon coating on our rotors that meth will hurt!

You need some meth for the octane, the water alone is NOT enough!

My Impala has over 20K HARD A$$ miles and god knows how many gallons of washer fluid and the SC and motor looked great! The pistons had no carbon and the valves looked fantastic!

WI works and i have proved it over and over and over and over and over
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FAST06SS
I don't think i can take much more of the BS info being shared on here

Cool air is dense, Hot air is thinner

There is no teflon coating on our rotors that meth will hurt!

You need some meth for the octane, the water alone is NOT enough!

My Impala has over 20K HARD A$$ miles and god knows how many gallons of washer fluid and the SC and motor looked great! The pistons had no carbon and the valves looked fantastic!

WI works and i have proved it over and over and over and over and over
no teflon on the 2.0 s/c rotors but what about the gm m45 which is the one i use, i still cant find out for sure.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FAST06SS
I don't think i can take much more of the BS info being shared on here

Cool air is dense, Hot air is thinner

There is no teflon coating on our rotors that meth will hurt!

You need some meth for the octane, the water alone is NOT enough!

My Impala has over 20K HARD A$$ miles and god knows how many gallons of washer fluid and the SC and motor looked great! The pistons had no carbon and the valves looked fantastic!

WI works and i have proved it over and over and over and over and over

We need a sticky post with this info on top of the forumn so all can read and you won't have to repeat yourself 100 times in each thread on here.

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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 09:46 PM
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We need a sticky post with this info on top of the forumn so all can read and you won't have to repeat yourself 100 times in each thread on here.

Yes, I agree with you. FAST06SS has nothing but real world FACTS and still people dont believe. FAST06SS could you write a quick " FACTS on Water/Meth Injections" I would make it a sticky.!! Then again a lot of people are too lazy to read.
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Old Aug 11, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by denny
Yes, I agree with you. FAST06SS has nothing but real world FACTS and still people dont believe. FAST06SS could you write a quick " FACTS on Water/Meth Injections" I would make it a sticky.!! Then again a lot of people are too lazy to read.

+1. I doubt he has time, but it would be very benificial having a write-up on water injection.
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 10:13 AM
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Anybody with water/ Meth injection experience want to do a "How to Install"?
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by denny
Anybody with water/ Meth injection experience want to do a "How to Install"?
Rob has a write up on his website www.hoosierperformance.com

Also, I am putting a Devil's Own kit in within the next couple weeks so I could possibly do one on that.
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