wow here comes the ricer math...

ss/sc +stage2+intake = sti, evo, z, ls1, corvette, porsche, ferrari KILLLLAAAAA fo shizzul doglet (on the right day with a good driver, blah blah).

a stage 2 with all the toys, intake exhause cams and dyno tunes to get it all to work, will get to the level of evos and sti. anything more than that and your gonna need internals replaced, pistons, conrods, crank is probably good till at least 400 hp. so 300 is about the limit for a ss/sc unless your blowing at least 10 grand in internals. and i doubt any of you has the knowledge to build up a race motor from scratch.

if you wanted a evo killer you shoulda got a ls1 camaro or a 5.0 mustang

dont get ahead of your self, lets see what the stages give you and then work from there.
we really dont know what these motors will do yet so just take it easy and think before you mod.

a little off topic but does anyone know if someone HAS blown their motor yet? has it happend? with what pully, injectors ect?

 

The M62 cannot pump out anymore air. I forget the exact number but i think it's pumping a good 400cfm now. If you increase rotor speed with a smaller pulley. It will only shift the powerband lower in the rpm band.

Let's also not forget about more heat when it's spun past 12K. They don't call them Heaton's for nothing.

 

i personally think you guys have a great platform and i think you guys are going to accomplish great things. the only thing is, when it comes to evos and stis, the reason they are so hard to beat is because awd owns the streets. some of you may not think that. but it does. sorry to ruin your world. when it comes to the track, it's a different story. you may see a fwd car take down and evo or sti mainly because the fwd is running slicks and pulling some helacious launches and 60ft. times. but on the street, fwd=traction problems, especially for you guys. you guys have nothing but power right off the line with street tires on a shitty street. at the track, the 1320 is prepped and everything, but on the street, it's not. so the only way you guys are going to take down evos and stis, is from rolls. unless you got some decent tires, a bunch of mods, and the evo or sti is stock. other than that, you won't win. everyone else in the racing world knows this. maybe you guys should face the facts.

not trying to be an ass or anything, but it's true. i hate it too. but it is. on the street, awd owns your ass.

 

Does anyone else's head hurt when they try and read this. Using some punctuation and real words would lend a lot more credibility to your statements.

I do agree...I think...with what you are trying to say. These are tuner cars. If GM had wanted this to be a $30,000 dollar car, I think that they would have made an EVO killer.

They have given us a chep platform to build off of, and for that I am grateful.

 

I modify cars for my own enjoyment, I could care less what one will or will not outrun.



Also, proper spelling and grammar can do wonders in getting ones point across.




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well put my friend, and I totally agree on the spelling. I think I could type better drunk.....

 

I think you need to worry about finishing high school before you need to worry about being teh fastes cAr evAr.

 

 

Uh.... where to start....

The pistons and connecting rods GM Racing won’t recommend them past 300HP. The crank is good to over 600HP.
Why are you so quick to judge the skills of people you don't even know? For some reason you come off to me as someone that has no idea what they're talking about, and I'll show you why. If you want to talk about math, it wouldn't be anything close to $10,000 to upgrade Ecotec internals to withstand abuse past 500HP.
Wiseco Forged Pistons 8.9:1CR .020 Overbore - $475
Eagle Forged H-Beam Connecting Rods - $350
Which adds to be $825 shipped. Where you got $10,000 I haven't a clue....

That's why when you upgrade your supercharger pulley to a smaller size, you're supposed to go with some kind of injection system, like water, to help cool the supercharger.

I agree with you 100%. In prison AWD would be the muscular guy that keeps asking for your fruit cocktail......

 

Vamp,

You already have an intercooler. Why would you go with a secondary injection?

I've said it a thousand times already. You need a bigger supercharger

 

Its actually an aftercooler, and from my knowledge water injection goes before the charger, however some people are waiting for a plate to come out so it can go before and after. The water injection drops the intake temps, and the cooler the air is going in the less hot it well be comming out...... im wondering if anyone has used, or knows anyone that has used Cry02? And if it could be used on the ss/sc, someone let me know......

 

Or a custom turbo setup. IMO the best setup would be a smaller pulley water or methanol injection, and a 3in exhaust, w/o cat, and just drive the thing.

 

I have blown mine but not from mods.......just bein stupid. Lucky for the warranty I got a whole new one.

 

well in alot of the mag's i have read i mean they are getting honda civics to 500hp with like 30lbs of boost. i mean if u can get a honda with an engine swap or like the b18 series with like 180 hp and built it to 500hp i mean wats the problem with us doing it. yall talk about yea turbo's are better but now in th 2k years they have upgraded the superchargers to have less lag and performe better then thr turbos because with a turbo u have to wait for it to spoil up and with a supercharger, its constant power to the engine and if u actually know how to built the engine to withstand the power u can push out some pretty decent numbers

 

As long as you do not race an EVO off the line you should beat a stock one with the stage 2 upgrade.

 

You need to do some reasearch into turbochargers, ASAP.

 

I don't see why not, but it didn't really impress me. I read about it in Turbo magazine. It gained a few whp, but nothing to shake a stick at.

 

you make no sense.. a slow ricer? HA! well, i mean that in the sense that i dont know any "ricers" that drive like a grandma

 

Water injection is used for more of a buffer to allow you to turn up the boost while keeping detonation in check. Read up on the benefits of using water or methanol injection. It's worth it.

 

Who needs to research turbos? And for what purpose? The Cobalt SS?

If me and so,
I've thought about doing a custom turbo swap instead of a Whipple or M90 supercharger, but it’s just going to be so damn cramp in the engine compartment. But I've realized there's a medium, turbo's are better on big blocks for high horsepower numbers, however a Whipple or M90 on a 2.0L Ecotec would do wonders and people will forget about turbo's...
Another reason why I decided against a turbo swap is lag, SS drivers are now used to putting their foot down and moving, instead of "being in the right gear at the right time". Now there's going to be someone that posts "Well with a properly sized turbo you can have full boost by 2000RPM's" - okay, show me a 300+HP 4 cylinder car on turbo that spools by 2000RPM's...

 

i had a turbo on my 97 cav , and took it off

i put a s/c on my 00 cav , and unless i want to do some serious drag racing (track only car) , ill never go back to a turbo

 

Show me any 4cy car that makes 300+hp before 2000 rpm. It's too easy for a SRT to make 300hp on the stock turbo with minimal lag.

Next...

 

stage 3 turbo + mods will be nice too

 

Pth, only on race gas. And who rides around on that?

 

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