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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 05:28 PM
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Also, we will be adding custom fabricated black anodized aluminum tanks straps to all trunk mount systems. Pictures coming soon.
Old Nov 26, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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still deciding but both those kits would be awesome, are either company haveing a sale on thier kits?
Old Nov 26, 2007 | 05:37 PM
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still deciding but both those kits would be awesome, are either company haveing a sale on thier kits?
Give us a call directly at 1.801.447.2559 and I can see what we can work out with you. At that time we can go over the various systems and system options we have available such our stainless steel line systems.
Old Nov 26, 2007 | 05:44 PM
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YOu know since no one really seems to want to listen... Aquastealth uses the same pumps, same boost pressure switches, but uses better METAL connectors and the same high pressure 1/4" line as all the other kits but it's 20-50 bucks cheaper!
Old Nov 26, 2007 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by M-Dub
YOu know since no one really seems to want to listen... Aquastealth uses the same pumps, same boost pressure switches, but uses better METAL connectors and the same high pressure 1/4" line as all the other kits but it's 20-50 bucks cheaper!
In response to your post above it should be noted to all forum members that we do not use the same pumps, boost switches or hose as Aquastealth. We also use a higher quality nickel plated nozzle holder which can easily be set up to work with both the plastic quick connect style fittings or attached to our stainless steel braid hose assemblies.



Here's a picture showing our stainless steel hose assembly. The nozzle is located just after the mas air in the blue section of piping just before the throttle body.


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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 06:26 PM
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90% of the ones on the market use the shur flo pump.

not much deviation from this, unless you go with an aquamist kit.


my kit is simple. shurflo pump/snowperformance. fittings. 1/4in line, snow performance nozzle. balkamp pressure switch. i don't have much faith in progressive controllers. i go with what i know works, and works for a long time.

zero issues to date.

you can go the easy way and buy a kit that is all together. or you could go the route i went and piece it together with what you want. any direction you go will work.
Old Nov 26, 2007 | 06:43 PM
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No, We all use different pumps. DevilsOwn, Coolingmist and Snow Performance each have slightly differnt pumps from shurflo but we all have pumps that are intended for methanol injection. There is a reason they are cheaper. If it does not have EPDM valves then its not going to tolerate meth in the system.
Old Nov 26, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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Thanks alot for posting on here to both AIS and Devils Own. I have made my decision, Pending Daily Credit limit I will be going with the AIS set up (stage two). with the steel lines and Trunk mount. Stay tuned in the near future for Before and after dyno results.
Old Nov 26, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
90% of the ones on the market use the shur flo pump.

not much deviation from this, unless you go with an aquamist kit.


my kit is simple. shurflo pump/snowperformance. fittings. 1/4in line, snow performance nozzle. balkamp pressure switch. i don't have much faith in progressive controllers. i go with what i know works, and works for a long time.

zero issues to date.

you can go the easy way and buy a kit that is all together. or you could go the route i went and piece it together with what you want. any direction you go will work.
Not all of the companies are buying the same Shurflo pumps. Some companies are still using the Viton seals, which are not compatible with 100% methanol as the seals will deteriorate quickly if 100% methanol is used. Our pumps come with EPDM seals. Building your own kit isn’t the same as buying a system from a company which has designed them specifically for use with 100% methanol.

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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 06:53 PM
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::slams head into desk::

nevermind.

if you're using 100% meth, you have other issues to worry about than seals in the pump.

then again, what do i know.......
Old Nov 26, 2007 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AIS
Not all of the companies are buying the same Shurflo pumps. Some companies are still using the Nomex seals, which are not compatible with 100% methanol as the seals will deteriorate quickly if 100% methanol is used. Our pumps come with EPDM seals. Building your own kit isn’t the same as buying a system from a company which has designed them specifically for use with 100% methanol.
Not really Nomex seal. There is a version of viton that people referr to as nomex but nomex is not used in shurflo pumps.

This is the pump in question http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...081&in_merch=1

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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by widebody_balt_ss
Thanks alot for posting on here to both AIS and Devils Own. I have made my decision, Pending Daily Credit limit I will be going with the AIS set up (stage two). with the steel lines and Trunk mount. Stay tuned in the near future for Before and after dyno results.
Your going to be very happy with your Stage 2 Trunk Mount System with Stainless Steel hose assembly. This is essentially the same system many of our Corvette members and shops use. Plus, you will be receiving our new black anodized aluminum straps for the tank. Be sure to post pictures when you have everything installed for others to see.
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 10:22 AM
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just a question to all of you guys


how aggressive is ur tune??, and how often do u put meth??

and wut kind of gains did u see?
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 04redline0124
just a question to all of you guys


how aggressive is ur tune??, and how often do u put meth??

and wut kind of gains did u see?
i go through maybe a gallon a month, if that. i don't beat on my car. no need too.


aggressive tune? depends on my mood. i have 5 different maps to chose from. all of them different power levels. 10-15 is about the average gain, then again, i never had a dead nuts tune before, or after, so the gains, i have no clue. thats just an educated guess.

as far as the mix, i usually go with a 60/40 mix. keeps things mildly happy, and prevents the 185 degree flash point from happening.
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 10:44 AM
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i hear ya, but the only thing i dont like about themeth is that it is constently spraying, but i belive with a better tune u can get some great gains out of there, and throw better timing into the car
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 04redline0124
i hear ya, but the only thing i dont like about themeth is that it is constently spraying, but i belive with a better tune u can get some great gains out of there, and throw better timing into the car
constantly spraying? um, no. mine kicks in at anything above 5 psi. im rarely at that point anyways. the timing i run, you can't run on rgular pump gas without meth. or race gas. it would destroy the motor..
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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well i got over 5 psi daily lol haha...so i would go through that **** fast as hell ...but i just fukin sprayed the bitch so ill be good without meth for alittle while

id liek to get a 2.7, 60's and a ported blower and pistons, then i think the meth will be more beneficial to the car (power wise)
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:14 AM
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As a non supporting vendor we would appreciate you become a paying vendor before continuing to post comments and supporting your product on this forum. It's only fair.

We decided to PM first rather then posting it in the thread and making a bigger issue over this.

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Rodney, Yes it is only fair. As stated before I have contacted Jonny B and am waiting a reply. I even pm him a reminder. I have no problem what so ever paying vendor dues so i can support my product. Only question i have answered about DevilsOwn product is if we have instructions. I am limit and can't post about our product but can only post about general alcohol injection question. If you have not noticed i have not posted any of our product information or any reasons why devilsown has a better product than coolingmist.
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:27 AM
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we don't need the vendors fighting. i have to deal with that **** every week about vendors claiming to be better than someone else.
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:42 AM
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Area47 i don't see me or him fighting. He could not have been anymore politer to me. I see his point. I am trying to be polite to by not posting about our product till we are a sponsor. its only fair to rodney. Why there is no pictures extra.
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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Area47 i don't see me or him fighting. He could not have been anymore politer to me. I see his point. I am trying to be polite to by not posting about our product till we are a sponsor. its only fair to rodney. Why there is no pictures extra.
i didn't say you were.
Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:51 AM
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i didn't say you were.
I just try my best to get along with everyone. I am already going bald, don't need any stress of arguing with people on the net of all places. There is no need from some of the stuff that goes on between vendors.
Old Nov 28, 2007 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 04redline0124
just a question to all of you guys


how aggressive is ur tune??, and how often do u put meth??

and wut kind of gains did u see?
How aggressive is your tune? Please clarify.

With our Stage 2 system users are able to pre-select start and full points for triggering and varying flow proportionally to the signal or signals being used with the water methanol injection system. How aggressive the tune is set is ultimately dependant on you and what the engines needs.
  • 100% digital processor for lighting fast response
  • Quick, easy to use adjustment knobs
  • The only controller which allows you the ability to manually adjust and change the start pressure, max pressure and curve of the system.
  • Heavy-duty metal housing protecting the controllers CPU. Not plastic like other competitors controller.
  • Greater range of adjustment then any other controller on the market with the ability to run true 2d Map using MAP, MAF, TPS, EGT or AIT in addition to Boost.
  • Built in boost port for carbureted or EFI users who want to run a mechanical boost signal
  • Built in serial port for connecting laptop for enhanced tuning features such as running multiple inputs (2d mapping) at once, data logging, saving and locking your settings.
  • The only controller which allows you to use any of the following signals; Mechanical boost signal, EGT, TPS, MAP, Mass Air Meter, AIT, ACT or any other 0-5 volt sensor on your engine to base mapping of off.
  • The only controller with a built in data logger allowing you to record and review the input signals being ran into the controller. Perfect for those who want to review the systems performance during a racing event, towing, normal daily driving, Etc.
  • Built in status monitor which not only indicates when the system is activated but also performs a system function check everytime you turn your car on indicating the systems CPU is operating properly.
  • The only controller which comes with free Windows based software
  • Unlike the competitors "kits" our "systems" come pre-wired, tested & ready to go ensuring you will not only receive a fully functional system but also saving you the troubles of wiring the system yourself and potentially making a mistake and damaging the controller.

As for fluid consumption, even while the Cobalt SS use's the Eaton M62 and sees boost much more frequently and for longer durations then that of the centrifugals or turbochargers, users are getting approximately about one month of use from our 1.5 gallon (6 quarts) rear trunk mount container with about a week of use with our 2 quart fender mount systems.

Typical gains are between 10-15 horsepower. Horsepower gains are largely dependant upon ECU tuning. It's also important to note the substantial increase in engine safety are gained with it's use as it greatly reduces the potential for harmful engine detonation while also helping to cool the tops of the pistons and upper piston ring.

For many of our customers a water methanol injection system is added exclusively for the added insurance it adds to protecting their engine. Horsepower gains are secondary
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Be sure to check out www.magnacharger.com which has a video on their home page showing one of Kenny Duttweiler's latest builds in which he made 725 horsepower with California pump gas using our Stage 2 progressive trunk mount system on a LS2 Magnacharged engine.

If you look closely you will notice our blue fluid line with nozzle mounted in the air inlet before the throttle body with the tank located in the rear.

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Old Nov 28, 2007 | 09:18 PM
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well as of right now i have a custom hp tune...but it is running really lean and starting to worry me....but i was looking into meth, but wasnt sure of how hard it would be to tune it or set the settings on it

but how much does ur kit cost and how easy is the install?
Old Nov 29, 2007 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 04redline0124
well as of right now i have a custom hp tune...but it is running really lean and starting to worry me....but i was looking into meth, but wasnt sure of how hard it would be to tune it or set the settings on it

but how much does ur kit cost and how easy is the install?
I would first correct this "really lean" condition you are describing. Either it needs to be retuned correctly or your running out of either pump or injectors and need to upgrade them.

Tuning our system is very easy. Give us a call directly at 1.801.447.2559 and we can go over how to tune both our Stage 1 and Stage 2.

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