Ok I talked to my dealer last time I was home and agen last week on the phone.
The dealer Im dealing with is Burger Chevy in Grand Rapids MI. They have built some of the fastes Camaros out there and been in all the big mags with them.
They have 4 Cobalt SS S/C cars being tuned up and moded right now.

This is what I was told as of last week.
Stage one and stage two reflashes have a differant part #. Not the kits but just the reflashs them selves. They looked this up some how by cross referancing the parts like you would if you need say one injector becouse yours went bad.

Now he put in a call and talked to his contact at GM and was told that this info is correct and that the stage 1 dose not account for the higher boost of the smaller pully. It will still bleed your boost off at X RPM (It has been changed) and that it will alow more b0ost then stock but only 1-1.5 PSI Befor it kills your fun.

This is why the stage one to stage two upgrade comes with a new reflash AGEN!

I hope this makes sens to you. If not I dont know what els to say.

Also a 3" pully at 7K will spin your S/C to 14K. Thats its redline.

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I think hes saying that he has found information to the contrary...

 

I'd like more confirmation on this though. All previous information prior indicates one reflash and one reflash only. Why is there another reflash all of a sudden?

 

Ya youre right...

I dont know more then anyone else... but 2 reflashes makes sense to me.
Prevent people from buy stg 1 and just adding a $70 aftermarket pulley...
but like I said... I dont know... Guess we'll all really know when the kits are
actually released and people have them on the cars.

 

All "Previous information" was speculation.
Allycats post also ses a 2.9" pully and we all know its almost exactly 3"s not 2.9"s.

Im just posting the info I have been given from a source that I conseder to be vary reliable.
They are the bigest dealer in the state for a good resson.
Last time I was there they had a "Still new" 2002 Berger adition camaro stage 4 with a sticker price of 82K

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Here is what I was referring to:



While that is confusing they only metion ONE engine calibration, and it's listed in another pic as being included in stage 1, NOT stage 2 or stage 1-2. I think GM's pricing for stage 2 is way out of wack to begin with, but if they're going to pull this "We're making you buy stage 2 just so you HAVE to get another reflash." **** then I say @#$^ GM, I'm going aftermarket.

 

so wtf when are they being released?

If there is in fact 2 flashes for the stages that actually puts the overall price into perspective for each stage ... I remember a thread where everyone couldnt figure out why exactly the price predictions were putting the stage 2 about 150 more than what the parts would likely cost for the stage upgrade ... putting another flash in there totally justifies the price

 

That would justify the price for stage 2 and make sense for GM. They would never sell stage 2 if it used the same Reflash as stage 1, because everyone would just buy the smaller belt and go else where for the pulley.

 

That pic is of the stage two kit. the info is for the stage two kit. No info is given at all in that pic about the stage 1 to stage 2 kit other then its part #. And the other pic that gose with that on for stage 1 ses that stage one comes with a injectors and a reflash.

That pic proves nothing other then the kits do exist. And they have part #s. Thats it.

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i heard that if you order the stage 2 kit it comes with a hood scoop! and the windshield washer tank is plumbed into the plenum too!!!

 

Hell, i want to know if the redline really does increase to 7000. I always thought it was going to be increased but was assured by a site know it all that it wasn't. Boy i hope he was wrong and you are right

Secondly i would like to state again my thoughts on stage 2, if there wasn't a second reflash then why list it twice. Stage 2 would have been listed something like
Stage 1
+Pully
+belt

I think the key word in the flyer shown would be Upgrade, you are upgrading to a second flash.

 

Selfinfliction
I hope you where joking^^^^???

 

The first reports were that it would raise the redline to 6750 from 6500, so who knows. This whole thing is a mess. I'm also willing to bet that the only warranty coverage is going to be 1 year/12,000 miles like the rest of the GMP Parts. That's the other great unknown.

Everyone is assuming this is going to keep you under warranty. You're spinning the supercharger to its limits...if for some reason something goes wrong there past the GMPP warranty but before the factory warranty runs out, I don't expect GM is going to say "Oops, our bad, let us replace that for you."

 

Thats a good point^ But I think that the GMPP warranty is for the new parts. I dont think it voids your factory warranty. Ill have to check on this tomarrow and see what I can find out.

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well, this looks to answer some of the questions on here...


http://www.redline forums.com/forums...tml#post153072
delete the space between redline and forums

 

BTW 7k redline is confirmed in those pics!

 

...Link still doesn't work

 

Yes is should have a 7k redline. Thats in my original post to.

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when you click the link there is a %20 that is between redline and forums, delete that and join them back up then reload the page, it will work.

http://www.redlineforumsdotcom/forum...led-specs.html

change the dot to a .

 

no way... that was just the beginning

they're supposed to be releasing a low profile xm and onstar antenna to help cut 2 full seconds off the 1/4 mile time too!!! i heard if you order the stage 2 kit while wearing a blue shirt and use the code word "colostomy" they will give you a 12% discount

 

 

In the picture, it says, and I quote, "The Stage 2 upgrade kit (PN 17803230) is an upgrade to the Stage 1 kit, so once the injectors are swapped, it is easy to upgrade to the additional power of the Stage 2 kit by pulling the blower and swapping the stock pulley for a performance pulley."

Is that saying that the reflashes will be the same??? I looked really hard at the whole picture and nowhere does it say to get another reflash for the stage 2 kit.

 

That's what has me confused too. Their wording is VERY ambiguous on the reflashes.

I'm interested to see how the warranty issue shakes out. It would be VERY easy for GM to back out after the initial 1 year warranty on parts if people are having troubles regularly as a result of the kits to say "Tough luck, your warranty is voided." Just ask some of the SRT4 guys and girls who assumed the Mopar stages were going to be under warranty. I'm not going to jump on them until I get confirmation in writing from GM on the warranty side of things.

 

I bet you a 100.00 that the stg2 reflash takes away some timing to protect from the added boost

 

tis is the question for the ages reflash? like why cant gm give us a stright answer yes there is one reflahs or there are 2 like GRRRR