Now that the stage kits are in, are these mods going to be superior to rev it up or intense kits? How do the gains compare? Which direction are you guys going? Is the main reason to go with the kits to keep the car under warranty, or are they actually a lot better for performance? Thanks!

 

Only one person can answer your queston on the GM one, third party kits don't offer a warranty on the drivetrain, just on the kit. If I had to take a guess, real ECU/PCM access and reflash out weighs a piggyback anyday. Gains will be had better with a real upgrade rather then a piece of equipment that tricks the computer.

My goal is to push the outer limits of the internals but still have good HP and not blow something up. Sounds like a good idea...

 

GM is the way to go. You are not tricking your computer you are programing your computer and oh, THE WARRANTY!!

 

I think the most worthless re-flash would be better than the best piggy back.

You couldn't pay me to use any piggy back kit.

 

So is the statement below true:

Intense stage 3 + dyno tune < GM stage 2 + reflash

Should I be doing everything through my dealer (like the GMPP exhaust)? Is putting a CAI going to f up the GM stage 2? I'm so confused.

 

Sorry to bump this, but I have my car going in the shop for the intense kit in a week. Do you think I should cancel and go with the GM kits?

 

that only holds tru maybe because the stage kit only uses a 3.1 0r 3.0 pulley. Even though I still think they'll put out the same numbers. But stage 1 flash plus higher rev plus 2.8 pulley = ownage

 

So go with the flash and then maybe a smaller pulley? Killer, thanks dude.

 

Think I'm going the RIU route. Stage 2 then 3 when available. I want 315whp+! The GM stage kits will not offer that kind of power for me.

 

even though it ain't much the gm kits still has the upper hand cause the rev limit was rasied, be it a lot or a little its still raised. That right there is a few extra hp's even on a stock cobalt since the motor will make power to redline.

 

now lets say the RIU kits get control of our rev limit and timming than its a rap on the stage kits.

 

What about something like the Intense kit (injectors and smaller pulley) and a GM reflash if you could get your hands on one? That way you (i assume) wouldnt need the MAF Translator and it would be the best of both worlds

 

I agree with that one

 

So if I went to the dealer, got the reflash, then installed the intense kit, I would have "the best of both worlds?"

 

no you'd be dumb and be paying for injectors that you don't need from the intense kit and a 2.8 pulley that you could get off line for 60 bucks. If you really wanted anything from the intense kit it would be the maf-trans which all you'd really want to be doing is leaning the car out to make it run harder. not really worth the $175 for the maf-trans IMO but It would be nice to see how rich the stage flash makes you run than lean it out and see how much extra hp is still hidden in there. I think piggy backs are bad enough as it is but the intense kit ain't even really that.

 

We need to find out if any of the pulley's from the other aftermarket hubs will fit on the GM hub....

 

now that would be sweet

 

Def. Im sure once more people get the kits installed we can get some people with various hubs together and see what hubs are esentially the same. And the testing would be easy since it looks like most hubs are only 4 allen screws holding the pulley's on.

 

id go with gm over anything else jsut because you know if something goes wrong you dont have to worry about it

 

GM = Warrenty with extra performance.
Others = No warrenty with more performance.

You can't have your cake and eat it too as they say. for me I went with GM but the moment my warrenty is pooched the rev-it-up kits seem to have alota potential.

 

Ok wtf... Are you guys REALLY still covered under warranty? Removing your OEM Intake Manifold for a Aftermarket CAI voids it right? And so does basically any AM performance part that connects to the engine correct?!?!

I have CAI... If something goes wrong with my car does warranty cover it? Pray tell, I moved 1200 miles from my dealer so...

 

From what I understand the only thing that would void the whole car's warranty would be messing with the car's computer. Any other parts you replace would only void the warranty on the parts you remove. There's a law spelling it out - ferguson or magnus act or something.

My question is if you're going to add the aftermarket parts anyway once the warranty is up, what's the point of waiting until your car reaches 36,000 miles? If it's going to break then it would break now, so either way you'd have to pay for it. I guess it comes down to how afraid you are to break the car's warranty. I don't know - this seems like a very tough decision.....

 

I have talked to GM amny times about warrenty and your car is underwarrenty unless an aftermarket part you put on causes something else to fail, than that failed part isnt under warrenty, but the rest of the car still is. I have an agreement written up between myself and GM for all the modifications im doing to my car.

 

If u want power. get 3rd party. if u want to be safe. get GM. I CHOSE REVITUP

 

I agree, if you want power get a kit from someone that has no idea about the software and has to trick sensors and hack into the ecu to get 10hp out of it for the same price as a kit from the people that made the ecu and have the fastest time attack FWD car ever. But hey your logic works well too