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it depends on your goals and what u want weither it be turbo or supercharged. if supercharged to be in the low 300s get a tvs. if u want 400 or higher get the twincharge kit or the hahn kit. me personaly I like the twincharge kit. you get best of both world and it is cheaper hahn kit and makes the same kind of power with a price of 3200 compare to almost 5 grand for the hahn kit. best of all no lag. "its your boost us it when u need it"
it depends on your goals and what u want weither it be turbo or supercharged. if supercharged to be in the low 300s get a tvs. if u want 400 or higher get the twincharge kit or the hahn kit. me personaly I like the twincharge kit. you get best of both world and it is cheaper hahn kit and makes the same kind of power with a price of 3200 compare to almost 5 grand for the hahn kit. best of all no lag. "its your boost us it when u need it"
Lets clarify something before this thread turns to **** like most others have. Sooooo many people out there are going TVS and several recently are going twincharged primarily to be "DIFFERENT". Now the funny thing is that there are probabaly just as many TVS guys out there as there are Hahn guys and many less twincharged for obvious reasons. Lets have a look at pros vs cons of all of these systems.
1) Turbo Charging Pros(Based on Hahn) - Naturally aspirated, much more power to be had, easier power gains, more efficient than any other, IAT's are about 40% than that of Supercharging, very quick spooling with not much lag whatsoever
Turbochargine Cons - Lag, but as I explained with the Hahn system it spools up so quickly you have a hard time even noticing any
2) Supercharging Pros(Based on TVS or stock w/stage II) - Decent power gains
Supercharging Cons - Tougher to obtain alot of power than that of Turbocharging, Belt driven, HEAT!!!!!!! Lots of Heat!!!! Worst enemy, Our cars love to run cooler as any other. More potential problems due to heat.
3) Twinchargine(Based on ZZP's setup) Pros - No lag, better bottom end power to get rid of the lag, Lots of power to be had
Twincharging Cons - Just another something something to fuc* up, does require finer tuning, Not as reliable as either turbo/supercharging
Now with these pros/cons being pointed out lets go over a few obv things with the LSJ when moding. First off, ZZP specifically Zooomer preaches to everybody that certain things are not required for our cars and just plain useless as its something else that can go wrong. Well imo I believe the same can be said for the twincharging setup for 1 specific reason - We have enough of a hell of a time keeping the wheels on the ground. I believe that with the Hahn turbo, there is soo much power to be had way more than enough and you still benefit from very low IAT's and efficiency. I personally love having a very slight lag due to the fact of the traction issues. Feel free to state you own opinions but I know this is useful information to many people who dont understand some of these basic principles.
1) Turbo Charging Pros(Based on Hahn) - Naturally aspirated, much more power to be had, easier power gains, more efficient than any other, IAT's are about 40% than that of Supercharging, very quick spooling with not much lag whatsoever
Turbochargine Cons - Lag, but as I explained with the Hahn system it spools up so quickly you have a hard time even noticing any
2) Supercharging Pros(Based on TVS or stock w/stage II) - Decent power gains
Supercharging Cons - Tougher to obtain alot of power than that of Turbocharging, Belt driven, HEAT!!!!!!! Lots of Heat!!!! Worst enemy, Our cars love to run cooler as any other. More potential problems due to heat.
3) Twinchargine(Based on ZZP's setup) Pros - No lag, better bottom end power to get rid of the lag, Lots of power to be had
Twincharging Cons - Just another something something to fuc* up, does require finer tuning, Not as reliable as either turbo/supercharging
Now with these pros/cons being pointed out lets go over a few obv things with the LSJ when moding. First off, ZZP specifically Zooomer preaches to everybody that certain things are not required for our cars and just plain useless as its something else that can go wrong. Well imo I believe the same can be said for the twincharging setup for 1 specific reason - We have enough of a hell of a time keeping the wheels on the ground. I believe that with the Hahn turbo, there is soo much power to be had way more than enough and you still benefit from very low IAT's and efficiency. I personally love having a very slight lag due to the fact of the traction issues. Feel free to state you own opinions but I know this is useful information to many people who dont understand some of these basic principles.
1) Turbo Charging Pros(Based on Hahn) - Naturally aspirated, much more power to be had, easier power gains, more efficient than any other, IAT's are about 40% than that of Supercharging, very quick spooling with not much lag whatsoever
Turbochargine Cons - Lag, but as I explained with the Hahn system it spools up so quickly you have a hard time even noticing any
2) Supercharging Pros(Based on TVS or stock w/stage II) - Decent power gains
Supercharging Cons - Tougher to obtain alot of power than that of Turbocharging, Belt driven, HEAT!!!!!!! Lots of Heat!!!! Worst enemy, Our cars love to run cooler as any other. More potential problems due to heat.
Twincharging Cons - Just another something something to fuc* up, does require finer tuning, Not as reliable as either turbo/supercharging
Turbochargine Cons - Lag, but as I explained with the Hahn system it spools up so quickly you have a hard time even noticing any
2) Supercharging Pros(Based on TVS or stock w/stage II) - Decent power gains
Supercharging Cons - Tougher to obtain alot of power than that of Turbocharging, Belt driven, HEAT!!!!!!! Lots of Heat!!!! Worst enemy, Our cars love to run cooler as any other. More potential problems due to heat.
Twincharging Cons - Just another something something to fuc* up, does require finer tuning, Not as reliable as either turbo/supercharging
-Next, saying IATs are 40% of superchargers doesn't even make sense. Not because it's wrong, but because the math doesn't work like that. You can't have a temperature be 40% of another like you're describing. For all temperature math (and you are doing math by citing a percentage) you have to convert to Kelvin. Clearly the person who says this has no idea how that works.
-Twin charging in many ways requires less tuning than with a turbo only. The car behaves like stock so you don't need to tune around the bahavior of a turbo that has lag or varying boost levels at different rpms/loads/etc. The myth of the tuning issue is from people who do it on their own and do not understand component selection or the basic setup.
-YOu missed the reliability pro of supercharging. Nothing comes close to the reliability of an Eaton.
Last edited by Zooomer; Jul 27, 2009 at 05:42 PM.
In one sentence you say heat is the enemy, in the other you say twin charging isn't needed. Twin charging allows a larger turbo which will have lower temps.
-Next, saying IATs are 40% of superchargers doesn't even make sense. Not because it's wrong, but because the math doesn't work like that. You can't have a temperature be 40% of another like you're describing. For all temperature math (and you are doing math by citing a percentage) you have to convert to Kelvin. Clearly the person who says this has no idea how math works.
-Twin charging in many ways requires less tuning than with a turbo only. The car behaves like stock so you don't need to tune around the bahavior of a turbo that has lag or varying boost levels at different rpms/loads/etc. The myth of the tuning issue is from people who do it on their own and do not understand component selection or the basic setup.
-Next, saying IATs are 40% of superchargers doesn't even make sense. Not because it's wrong, but because the math doesn't work like that. You can't have a temperature be 40% of another like you're describing. For all temperature math (and you are doing math by citing a percentage) you have to convert to Kelvin. Clearly the person who says this has no idea how math works.
-Twin charging in many ways requires less tuning than with a turbo only. The car behaves like stock so you don't need to tune around the bahavior of a turbo that has lag or varying boost levels at different rpms/loads/etc. The myth of the tuning issue is from people who do it on their own and do not understand component selection or the basic setup.
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