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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 09:58 PM
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Having warranty issues?

Figured I'd put this here since most people are going to have more warranty issues with the 2.0 ss s/c than the other model cobalts. I recently had a little problem with my dealer about fixing my shifter cables. He saw my cobra heat exchanger and my exhaust cutout and decided he didn't want to work on my car anymore and said my warranty was void now. I laughed at him. lol. Here is all you gotta show the dealer. Copy and pasted from enjoythedrive.com

Federal Warranty Laws
1.The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))

This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of the law concerning aftermarket auto parts is that a vehicle manufacturer may not condition a written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle maker's brand) unless the parts or service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided. The law states in relevant part:

No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name... (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).


No one should have warranty issues with something that didn't cause the problem, especially with stuff like the mods I've done. That is rediculous.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 10:03 PM
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thanks, thats great info!!! i was wondering about this. good to know.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 10:04 PM
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awesome
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 10:09 PM
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subscribed...for future reference..
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 10:19 PM
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this should be made a STICKY awsome good to know info
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 10:24 PM
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 12:17 AM
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Subscribed. I had heard of the act, but I didn't know where to find it, or what it was called.
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 12:21 AM
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sweet !!
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 12:47 AM
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Yep, I just heard about this this week down here actually. And it is even better to have something in writing.
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 12:51 AM
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wow brad... i knew u were good for something

print a bunch of copies and show the guy at tincher tomorrow.... and if he still says no throw all the copies u printed off around the service department and run out giggling
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 09:01 AM
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In Canada we need something like this.
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by KillerBee
this should be made a STICKY awsome good to know info
this is already the subject of a sticky in the general cobalt section


https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/general-cobalt-68/your-rights-about-your-car-warranty-aftermarket-mods-7439/
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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Dont think that the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act as you people think, is going to protect you.

That was was meant to allow you too swap out factory parts with aftermarket parts if they meet or exceed OEM specs, which some do.
You dont have to use AC Delco/OEM parts, such as, but not limited to, tune-up parts, brakes, exhaust and so fourth.
This act does not cover altering a vehicle to suit your needs.

Did that heat exchanger replace a factory one?

Did that cut out replace a factory one?

Both took it out of OEM specs ,so YOU as the owner must now prove what you did, didn't or wouldn;t cause problems to arise down the road.

Read the act very closely with legality in mind. SEMA won this for us so that we could use legally after market parts, not so you could alter something beyond its implied useage!!!!!!!!!


I'm not a dealer, work at one etc, but have been through this before and went to court over and issue.

K&N filter useage voids a good portion of your engine warranty, that GM proved to be a problem.
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Old Man
Dont think that the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act as you people think, is going to protect you.

That was was meant to allow you too swap out factory parts with aftermarket parts if they meet or exceed OEM specs, which some do.
You dont have to use AC Delco/OEM parts, such as, but not limited to, tune-up parts, brakes, exhaust and so fourth.
This act does not cover altering a vehicle to suit your needs.

Did that heat exchanger replace a factory one?

Did that cut out replace a factory one?

Both took it out of OEM specs ,so YOU as the owner must now prove what you did, didn't or wouldn;t cause problems to arise down the road.

Read the act very closely with legality in mind. SEMA won this for us so that we could use legally after market parts, not so you could alter something beyond its implied useage!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a dealer, work at one etc, but have been through this before and went to court over and issue.

K&N filter useage voids a good portion of your engine warranty, that GM proved to be a problem.
Yeah, I know this. But I had a dealer representative trying to tell me that adding anything that wasn't factory built and installed would allow them to void my warranty. And I knew they were f'n with me, but I couldn't prove it till now.
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by g5mike
In Canada we need something like this.
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Old Man
Dont think that the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act as you people think, is going to protect you.

That was was meant to allow you too swap out factory parts with aftermarket parts if they meet or exceed OEM specs, which some do.
You dont have to use AC Delco/OEM parts, such as, but not limited to, tune-up parts, brakes, exhaust and so fourth.
This act does not cover altering a vehicle to suit your needs.

Did that heat exchanger replace a factory one?

Did that cut out replace a factory one?

Both took it out of OEM specs ,so YOU as the owner must now prove what you did, didn't or wouldn;t cause problems to arise down the road.

Read the act very closely with legality in mind. SEMA won this for us so that we could use legally after market parts, not so you could alter something beyond its implied useage!!!!!!!!!


I'm not a dealer, work at one etc, but have been through this before and went to court over and issue.

K&N filter useage voids a good portion of your engine warranty, that GM proved to be a problem.
K&N filters don't void warranties.
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HighPSI_LowCC_Speed
K&N filters don't void warranties.

If you have any intake related codes, misfires and a few more and run a K&N filter and or system, they wont fix the problem for free. K&N filters, due to the fact they use oil and the oil WILL COME OFF, can be attributed to those type codes.

GM has been through the rigors all ready, been sued, resued and so on, because once they figured out what was causing these codes, if you have one on, certain parts of warranty work will not be covered.


K&N has a whole bunch of **** posted on their site to try to dis claim all of this, why?? Because it happened.

Fram Air hogs and AEM dry flow filters are a result of a new void area in sales for after market air filters. This GM problem was brought to light and they are going after it full force with ammo to why to buy theirs.

Thats all beside the point these hot air intakes dont make anymore power than a factory setup on MOST ALL CARS. Only a few have had intakes that totally sucked from the factory that gained using these units. Thats why they advertise UP TO!!! The UP TO protects them FTC wise!!!
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Man
If you have any intake related codes, misfires and a few more and run a K&N filter and or system, they wont fix the problem for free. K&N filters, due to the fact they use oil and the oil WILL COME OFF, can be attributed to those type codes.

GM has been through the rigors all ready, been sued, resued and so on, because once they figured out what was causing these codes, if you have one on, certain parts of warranty work will not be covered.


K&N has a whole bunch of **** posted on their site to try to dis claim all of this, why?? Because it happened.

Fram Air hogs and AEM dry flow filters are a result of a new void area in sales for after market air filters. This GM problem was brought to light and they are going after it full force with ammo to why to buy theirs.

Thats all beside the point these hot air intakes dont make anymore power than a factory setup on MOST ALL CARS. Only a few have had intakes that totally sucked from the factory that gained using these units. Thats why they advertise UP TO!!! The UP TO protects them FTC wise!!!
I had to argue with a dealer that my AEM dryflow,was "NON-OILED" like most he dont know ****.
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 11:22 PM
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he is going to put it back to stock because **** is getting real deep and they have higher up people involved...

thats all im going to say but he will fill u in later

bunch of gay **** going on around here
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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 11:36 PM
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So whats going on man
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 12:19 AM
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they are trying to void my warranty now cause they think they have evidence that I raced it. I'm trying to find a loop hole seeing as how the cobalt ss was advertised as "tuner ready" and GM sells "performance parts" from the factory, DUH! But they are saying that since I actually raced it, that they were going to void my warranty. I'm too the point that I don't care anymore, I'm reverting it back to stock and demodding it, trying to keep the warranty since I'm still paying on the vehicle. Check the pic/vid thread to see my new project. well sort of. Not new but something I will get to working on when I get it out here.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 12:32 AM
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I cannot stand most dealers. They tried telling me that if my tires were worn past a certain deapth at 25000 miles my warranty would be voided because of "aggressive driving".

See now, take Dodge for example, Mopar came out will all kinds of crap for the SRT-4's that were done through the dealer and did not void the warranty. Smart move if you put out a pocket rocket that you know people will mod.

Why doesn't GM do the same. All they have is a pulley, exhaust, manifold and injectors. For us SC guys they don't even have an intake. I think GM needs to fix that problem before they come out with this ugly HHR SS or a possible (Notice I say possible) Cobalt turbo.

If they did that, they might have more positive feedback from consumers and become the number one auto manufacturer in the world again. Just my opinion.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 12:46 AM
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So if you bought a Vett from a dealer and raced it all the time would they say something probably not due to the fact you paid a lot of money for it. But when it comes to them say well your racing it or what not does it really matter because you paid for the car and the dealership just dont wanna put out money for your car its a damn sports car what do they expect a car to be baby from day one hell no when i test drove mine before i bought it the dealer ship asst manager my saleman told me to get on it i was already on it shifting at like 4 grand and he asked me well you got ***** to drive this car well i said oh yead he said well do it besides that the dealership hates loosing money on labor that is why they hate doing repairs under warrenty so i say to my self why the hell sell the car you enjoyed when i bought it from you so why try and stiff me i think GM will step in and say something about it
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 12:50 AM
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I already gave up on my warranty. They just ignore all my issues either way. It was running rich from day one and had idle issues. That forced me to get a seperate tune and I changed the pulley while at it. My wheels are flaking. Not covered because "the car was driven in the winter." My rotors are crap. Not covered because they are "within acceptable limits" whatever that is... you can see the grooves from 2 feet again noticed this after the first week. My cat went bad fast too, so I just did the catless downpipe. I could go on and on. I took it in for the first "free" oil change. They charged me ($80!!) and said they will make it up next time. Meanwhile oil was never changed and had to do that again myself 2 weeks later anyway. My radiator got dented bad after one time in too, but can't prove they did it since I didn't notice for a day or two. I would rather just fix my own stuff and let them stay out of it. I don't care if it costs me to replace the part after all the crap. Not to mention they get the interior all dirty and scratch stuff up.

They basically blow off your issues or problems until you mess up or the warranty runs out. I had my rear lights out because of a wiring issue. I had to drive around a week without them risking getting hit. They actually made me schedule where it suited them. Maybe bad dealer, but still I don't even think about the warranty since it is 50/50 even if nothing is modified.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 12:51 AM
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yea, I'm trying to get some kind of help. I'm going to seek legal advice on this that's for sure. I think what they are tying to do is bullshit. Right now my car is stuck in 4th gear since the rotating pin in the shifter assembly, where the shifter cables enter the tranny, is broke and it needs replaced. I've taken it to a tranny specialist and he's going to fix it. But I gotta pay out of pocket for it. I've done nothing to cause this to break, and it should be fixed under warranty. But I'm scared to take the car in for warranty since they are threatening to void the warranty if they see any signs of "racing." They even took me into the office of the head manager of the entire dealership today and he told me all this BS. I'm getting legal advice and I'm gonna have a talk with the GM area rep. Since he's already involved in this matter anyway.
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