I will agree that its gonna be hard for a piggyback to beat a reprogrammed PCM.

But, what does the GM reprogram PCM actually do besides let you use larger injectors? If nothing, than its no better than the MAF translator from INTENSE. Plus the GM kit is for a larger pulley than the INTENSE setup.

And how large are the injectors from GM? I didn't think they were as big as the INTENSE setup, which won't do much good.

Warranty=slow
No way they are going to warranty a bad-A harcore racing setup. They can't, that would be dumb. So they are not going to be pushing the limits with this kit. INTENSE will, so they will always beat GM with equal/similar parts and setup. Period.

 

makes sense to me. For one i hope that gm gives us similar size injectors to the one intense is using. And two i would concider INTENSE's package when the find the plug and play clips for the injectors. I just really don't feel like sodering anything in to a new warrentied car right now.

 

So I guess you have your head in the sand and have never seen a Stage 2 SRT.

You people are so fast to pass judgement on something that you have NO idea about. Not one person here knows that the Stage 2 kit is going to put to the wheels so would you please just stop making comments and comparisions!!!

If you want your Intense setup now, go for it. I personally am not going to void the warrenty on a car that I just spent $34,000CDN on to gain a little bit of power. I will buy the Stage 2 kit when it comes out, Maybe I will have 15hp less than the Intense setup but I will have more reliable parts and a warrenty. And you never know, It might even make more power than the Intense setup. Wait and see, all the answers to your questions will be answered after the first dyno run. Until then, lets just talk about what we KNOW!!

 

As i've stated before, I FULLY understand the warranty side of the equation and am with you 100% there.


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If you are serious about making your cobalt fast, i'm not talking stage2 fast, i mean serious 12sec street car, then a stage2 kit is waste of money. Why? Again, when we get our tuning software, you all with stage 2 kits will be BEGGING for a reflash. Now you have just wasted the money for a PCM program you will eventually over-write. Not ALL of you, but the serious racers will. Been there done that, "all i want is a 13sec car" a few months later after hitting 13's, "now i want a 12sec car"

The GM kit is GREAT fot the average joe but not for the avid tuners who want more and more performance. Make sense now?

 

I am going to stay stock.. forever.. **************.... All Stock all the way.

 

yeah thats it ^ stock

 

Wrong way to say thread . It should say warranty or no warranty

 

I could'nt have said it better my self

 

No it doesnt make since now. your talking about maybe 10hp more with the intense not 100! Plus GM is going by the stock numbers, the stock numbers are unrated. Everyone is dyno'n higher than the stock rating. My $02. Stage 2 all the way! Plus if something goes wrong with it, or if it is installed wrong, then its all gm's fault. But with the intense setup, who is there to blame if something goes wrong?

 

First off not every Cobalt dynoed over 205hp, so stop saying it like it is gospel.

Secondly for everyone... does anyone have proof that the kits will be warrantied???

This whole thread is useless.

 

^^^Everything I have seen about the kits say it's warranteed. Kinda, considering the GM kits aren't out yet.

As for the "tuning" comment, I think the real tuners will be doing the 10.5:1 pistons, on top of smaller pullies, or Twin Charging, or S/C swap, etc. Yes the Intense kit goes beyond the Stage 2 and can be purchased now, but it will not be too hard to get the Stage 2 to match it power wise. HP/$, hands down the Intense Stage 3.

 

Everything posted from other members?

 

Here is something that you all need to understand. This is the way car building goes.

"Cheap - Fast - Reliable.........Chose 2, that's all you get"

Interpretation for the simple minded:

If it's Cheap and Fast, It isn't Reliable
If it's Fast and Reliable, It isn't Cheap
If it's Cheap and Reliable, It isn't Fast

 

I agree with Wasey, this whole thread is useless. If you want to go w/ the GM kits, then do so...likewise w/ the Intense kit...why do you have to justify to everyone else which one is better?

 

After speaking with the service department at my local dealer , I'm gonna go Intense , and wait out the PCM tuning . My dealer is willing to work with me if any warranty concerns arise . One of the service techs is already running a smaller pulley on his .

FWIW - my understanding of the GM kits and warranty . IF the dealer actually installs the parts , its fully warranted . But , should the buyer decide to install the parts his/herself , only the actual parts purchased would be warranted . "IF" that were the case , I would be screwed anyways , because Im not paying shop labor for stuff Im more than capable of doing myself.

If the GM kits are affordable , and I havent bought the Intense kit before they come out . I may do stage 1 for the tuning and injectors and use the Intense pulley . I dunno though , I still think GM will leave ALOT on the table tuning wise .

 

Guess they'll have to make the Vette faster

 

My dealership is ordering mine as soon as it comes out. They will install and warante everything! I cant wait!

 

I think my decision will be based on who blows their motor up. This is because I have already blown one motor up, and I'm not to keen on trying that one again. I had the GM Performance Parts Supercharger on my 2002 Z24. I had someone other than a GM Tech install it, a GM tech reflash the ECU. I also had a smaller 2.6" pulley installed. Other mods were I/H/E, and all was dyno tested to ensure good A/F ratios! I cracked a piston, and scoured a cylinder wall. GM fixed the car under warranty at 36,610 miles on the ODO. I only had a 3yr/36000 mile warranty. GM parts = Warranty and that's good for me because it would have cost me about 3-5 grand to fix it! I'll let you guys decide if you'd like to be safe or sorry. Just my .02

 

Ill have the GM Stage 2 please! To go!

 

This is just my opinion! From observing different posts, dyno charts and info about the "stage kits", I have drawn some opinions. First I must say," I'm impressed with INTENSES kit they put together. Congrats on putting down that much on a dyno ." Is is great to have companies putting time and effort into our cars.
On to the main purpose of this post; Stage 2 upgrades are supposed to give around 36hp over stock engine. What this means to me is 205 + 36= 241hp (press release?).The stock 205hp is @ 5400rpm. I'm assuming the 241hp will also be as 5400rpm. Looking at the dyno chart of INTENSES 270hp pull, at 5400 rpm they also achived around 240hp. It is very possible that GM's stage kits are going to be very close to the same as the INTENSE kit. GM is just using a lower rpm value for their specs. of peak hp #'s.
I am aware the torque figures don't add up in my theory and am aware of how important tq is, but I'm just opening up another view point. I would not discredit GM on the performance products they are producing for our cars. Remember it does take time and money to have anything approved by a large company and to meet EPA regulations.

 

Alright I've been thinking. GM says the chip reflash gives it what 31hp? Now people have been getting 15 hp from a 3" pulley. So stage 2 should really give you around 251 hp going by just the stage reflash and with a 3 inch pulley dyno. Now if you were to use very simple math, every size smaller pulley would give you 5 hp. 3.35 is tock so 3.25 would give you 5 more 3.15 would give you 10 more hp etc. Using this math, with a 2.8" pulley, you should recieve at least 25 more hp. (jmc or whoever ran the 2.6 pulley recieved 43whp and still needed a better tune so that 25 is probably conservative). 25+31+205=261hp. Using this simple equation, the GM stage 2 kit should have 261hp with the 2.8 inch pulley. (or 2.85 w.e)

 

Those numbers are just estimates but should be around the right numbers.