what does fitting a turbo back there have to do with the topic?

 

why dont you ask JBP for A pic of the header installed on car !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It has everything to do w/ talking about the SPACE to put that header back there

 

He asked a question and I answered it stupid! I was talking of the old design on the first post which you guys DID design for ****. I didn't see any follow up on design changes! I also can speak from personal experiance that your CABs are junk along with the passangerside motor mount that I wasted my money on! I won't make a mistake of buying your products again!

 

And the cams.

 

JBP please prove us all wrong by showing us a cobalt with this header installed. You say the design has been changed but why didnt we hear of this anytime before when people were on here complaining about your product. I have not seen one person on these boards who have had this header fit their car. I personally would love to see this product work becuase it looks to be the best option for a header power wise, one other thing I would like to address with you is prices, why are they almost double retail price on other sites? I have wanted to go through you to get some products but they were way too expensive. If you would like to adress this through PM by all means throw me a message. I am not bashing in anyway just trying to address issues that Im sure everyone on Cobaltss.net would like to see answers to.

 

why dont they show us a picture of the car installed into the car and also tell us why thier prices are so high

 

Shouldn't you be watching hockey or drinking beer EH Canadian. Why would i waste my money on overpriced Canadian parts when good old POS American parts are half the price and give better gains.

 

here is the perfoect example of someone that doesn't accept the fact that the CANADIAN money is now stronger then the american money... Rob, please don't drop to his level, just let him showoff his own stupidity!

as for the rest of all you sceptics, it is correct to state that the first design has been known for having troubles. the problem has been corrected for a while now, and if you would read threw the header tech thread in the JBP section, you would be aware of this already. i would like to be shown the last post that stated someone was having problems with this piece. i doubt it dates from yesterday... the header is a real PITA to install, but i mean a REAL PITA, but i does fit. i personnally have installed a few already, so i can talk by experience.

as for price, the answer is easy. this is not your typical shorty header which requires ''practically'' no R&D. this is one fine piece of creation, and the only way of seeing that is by holding one in your hands. we currently have 1 in stock, and if any of you is willing to drive down to montreal, i'll be more then glad to pay the beer and show it to you. there is also a question of dealer markup: some take more then others, and like with any other parts, you should take the time to research the best price. we are not the only distributor out there!

to conclude, i strongly preach for the JBP header, which is th biggest hp gain available for this kind of parts at the moment.

 

What is the actual hp gain from this? The only numbers I have seen is whp increase with the JBP intake and 3" exhaust.

 

is that the best you can do?
you get called on your opinion, so instead of defending your comments, you act like an arrogant POS and call down an entire country?

how the **** you werent banned months ago I do not know.

 

Let see some pic's then?????

 

have a nice vacation.

 

He is banned now. The site just got a little better with his exit.

 

than you dc52nv

 

Thanks DC. That comment ticked me off as well.


So anyways, what are the gains from just this header? Anyone know?

 

Just so everyone is clear about the JBP header HP gain, JBP posted the gains of 30 WHP from a full 3" Vortex exhaust, 3" intake, as well as their header. $900 is also pretty expensive for a header, and the 30whp gain is actually from about $2000 in bolt on mods. On the plus side, it would be nice to have a long tube with stock DP mounting.

I am slightly dissapointed in the CABs i got from JBP as well, but that doesn't have any bearing on whether they are a reliable merhcant or whether their header is good or not. I am as curious as the next guy to see a cobalt fitted with that header though.

I considered JBPs header for a while because long tube is the way to go. Due to price I ended up buying a long tube Weapon-R header for $552 and i believe its the best decision i've made (they are dyno proven at 20 ftlb tq and 20 hp gains just from the header alone on a stock car no doubt). There are some "slight" fitting problems with the weapon-r, but nothing major.

 

Thank you

 

i didnt know there was a second design, all i know is we had a members car in the air and the header was not goin to fit unless the whole car was taken apart, if they re did the design then its up to jbp to prove this to the customers and insure it will fit with out dissasembling the whole undercarriage.
pics of the header installed on a working car would be sufficent enough and if jbp can get the price down a tad and ensure it will fit eventually, theyd probably start selling a lil more.
the header looks interesting to say the least and if it fit and gains were proven on a dyno id probably be sporting it
also in response to the canadian comment, i gotta say lately all the cool stuff for these cars has been coming from canada..
look at vic red, we had the first turbo car runnin, twinscrew, we had the first 2.4 supercharged.........
i bought an "american" made downpipe and that took a **** on me after a few months.......
thank god for canadians eh
end of rant
my 2 cents.
proceed with discussion.

 

player_1 has been driving with the JBP header in his car for a long time and he is a local GTA driver.
As for the bold part, might that not be the PITA part of the install that has been mentioned?
You can't have everything and plenty of cars have had to deal with space constraints. The Cobalt is no different.

 

thats true
but at the time player wasnt willing to pay a ton for labour tryin to install the header.
he was under the assumption that it WOULD fit.
like i said, if the new version fits better, thats a bonus for jbp and potential buyers

 

player_1 went to TAG to install the header as we're busy with Rod's project... they claimed it didnt' fit and charged him $250 bucks for that... wtf is that!!

He brought it to us, we had the same header installed w/o modification... i still doubt he got him money back from TAG.

 

If you can show ME a picture of the header fitting, I will glady retract my statements that the header is a POS.

If you can list EXACTLY what needs to be done to install it, I'll retract my statements as well.

 

i dunno if he got his money back, if he didnt thats lame....
im glad you guys got it to fit

 

negativity, why not contact the "Supporting Vendor" directly with your concerns/issues/suggestions, so that they are better able to improve their products.

Anyone who has ever built a race car understands the myriad of issues involved with reengineering what the factory built. You change one thing, that changes three others, ad naseum. Thats why it takes a great deal of time to build a race car, when departing from what the factory designed over years and years.

In my experience with JBP I found them to be very open and receptive to my ideas and suggestions for ways of improving their products.

Cobalt Supporting Vendors are there for us, trying to give us what we want and need. I see nothing good that can come from trashing them, period. Again, if you feel strongly enough about your experience with a Supporing Vendors product to comment about it, send your constructive comments to the Supporting Vendor where it can make a difference, rather than creating hard feelings with the Supporting Vendor by posting negative/rude comments that may also unnecessarily bias other members of this forum.

As for Canada bashing, it is one of the few countries that the U.S. can still call a friend, so knock it off.

Doc