what should i get the ottp or the zzp long tube header?

 

Personally, I like ZZP.

 

i like zzp to all my parts are zzp but they havent been posting thier sales. all i wanna do is sleep and josh from ottp got on so i just bought their LTH after some details from him. and its nice because it comes with the down pipe also.

 

i like zzp but they are failing with this sale. every 30-90 mins my ass. only good things they put up is heat exchanger and a intercooler. wooo hoo

 

ZZP's comes with a DP also.

And yeah, everything they offer is gone in 10 minutes. "Limited quantity". Gay.

 

all i want is a zzp catless dp but they are posting sales for ****. hes probably passed out. dont start a sale at midnight if your not gonna post stuff up. come on now.

 

OTTP LNF Down Pipe - Over The Top Performance

Already made up.

 

Basically OP..

OTT has provided ZERO, ZILCH, NONE, NADA, in terms of gains for their header..

Also, as stated by Matt from ZZP - "The problem with OTT is that they don't actually have much of anything. They have to source this type of product elsewhere and it gets marked up twice. OTT made the primaries the wrong length for a supercharged LSJ. We found their design to be less than optimal. It seems that they just made them as long as possible and hoped that it would work."

I'm not saying he knows everything, but like stated by another member on that thread.. ZZP usually does their homework before making claims.

Take this information for what it is.

 

Thats pure bs. We make our own header in house ZZP just started doing that.... Have they shown any gains? NO they haven't, they showed 40 hp on a vehicle that had alot of other changes done.

 

shut up because you are ignorant.

 

yeah well atleast josh is actually online doing somthing and hellping everyone out. all my parts ive orderd have been zzp i like them but not all thier **** fits or lines up right and ****. and ethier way dude with a new long tube header and dp your still gonna get a gain becasue it still opens it up more

 

i've heard bad stories from both companies, usually only relating to customer service though

 

I plan on picking up the Otto now that my Xmas shopping is done

 

i don't wanna rag on zzp but have you seen the inside of the collector for their LT header?

 

I personally would have gotten the ZZP LTH but thats just me

It's cheaper for one and is of great quality

I'm not saying that OTTP's LTH isn't of good quality I'm just saying that BF is a time to get good deals so saving money is a + in my book

But good luck to you and your LTH

OP, also if you say that some of zzp's stuff doesn't fit perfect I guess you could say that about a lot of companies out there

and most of the time stuff doesn't fit because people dont take the time to make it fit right, people just get pissed if it

doesn't go on the right way the 1st time (install error on the person) just sayin'

 

Does that affect performance? Since ZZPs is less expensive why would I buy ott over them? Can someone give me a legit reason? I'm going to superchage in 5 months and need a header/dp.

I also happen to have an auto, zzp has an auto option, does ott?

 

I dont believe OTTP does, I would just go with ZZP's Header/DP combo but it's all personal preference,

 

ZZPs collector doesn't look great, but performance is greater than looks. Yea, they're gains are on a heavily modded LSJ, but at least they showed some kind of gain. Even for a highly modded LSJ, it's still on a stock blower that doesn't move more than 700cfm, IF that. So a 40whp gain is A LOT! Everyone knows that ZZP does their homework first, lots of research involved.

Where as OTTPs is the prettiest header you can buy, but where's the proof showing the gains? Guess what? There ain't none.

 

i'll agree ottp has yet to show any dyno results on there header which is unfortunate for them. but also unfortunate for zzp is the lack of a merge collector. that little area where they put in the flat diamond piece is now a high pressure zone which will have an affect on scavenging.


neither header is perfect, both are reasonably priced though for true LT's, i just think when kooks prices as set of long tube headers at 980 bucks for a pair and both zzp and ottp are about 600 each we could at least get kooks quality and attention to details......

something as simple as the little pyramid on the inside of the collector and cleaning up the sugaring on the welds would make all the difference in the world.
example:

 

scavenging? I don't think there is any scavenging on a supercharged car though.

 

not under boost, but under part throttle there is.

 

zzp is slacking hard in this sale good thing you went with ottp though

 

:scratches head: so I'm not sure what you are getting at then.

 

Allow me to clear some things up.

And Mr. Josh, what the hell have you guys shown? Eh? You've got a 900 page thread with a ton of........... NOTHING. Of course they're going to show gains on a modded car, the more mods, the more you'll gain, right?.. What's so hard to understand. It's fairly obvious the gains will be minimal on a stock LSJ. It would be nice to see, I 100% agree.. But at least they provide us with something. It's more than what can be said about OTT.

I would 100% agree with Matt. All you guys did was throw long ass 31" primaries on it, and a fancy ass collector (From the looks of it, anyway). If they said it was less than optimal compared to theirs, I'm sure it is. Once again, they have done more to put proof behind their claims than you guys. I'm not being a dick I'm just stating blatantly obvious facts.

If it's BS take it up with Matt. Not me. I'm just throwing it out there for what it is. The way you perceive and act upon the information is up to you. Don't shoot the messenger.

And remember.. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Supercharged Guy already said it best, but a lot of the time people will get frustrated and **** because the lack of mechanical ability. You have to account for user error. Am I saying ZZP is perfect and all of their **** fits, all of the time? Hell no. But you've got to remember they hold a pretty ******* good rep in the Cobalt world. I think they do a good job.

**** not fitting 100%, is like 85% of the aftermarket Cobalt world anyway.

I love you.

I think most of us want gains under boost, not partial throttle. The point you're trying to make is irrelevant.

 

^^^ quit sucking zzp's dick