dude i spent to day putting all my **** on trust me i took my time. and zzp stage 3 h/e i love it but guess waht my bumper dont line up and it didnt line up with the holes so i had to do modification when it said i didnt. as for the guys wondering how ottps longtube header/dp combo is ill let you know when i have it on my car. also zzp is doing some weak ass sales. whats this only 1 quantiity for barely psoting **** anyways.

 

I've helped install two ZZP S3's so far and both did not need the fascia taken off, and everything mounted perfectly. This is what is meant about installer error. I'm not saying you did it wrong but that is strange considering I've done 2, and never heard a problem about them, ever.

And yeah ZZP's sales are weak, I agree.. This "Limited quantity" or "Quantity: 1" bullshit is annoying.

 

Hard not to when they have the biggest dick in the market. Proven performance, bargain prices. Everyone wanted a twincharge kit, so they twincharged one of their in-house cars, made over 500whp and went low 11s.

Then everyone said that turbo-only would make more power, so they went turbo only, made over 600whp and drove it to a 10sec time at over 134mph.

Then you got the LNF, they made over 500whp on that even when fueling issues and tuning seemed to be holding it back. They also were the first to break 11s on the stock turbo.

Then they also took the big motor ecotec (LE5) and made outstanding progress with it.

Every market they've dabbled in they are the leaders. The 3800 market and the ecotec community. Everything they do, they research and document and provide it to the public without hiding anything.

What's not to like about them as a company?

The tide is turning in the cobalt and ecotec community, I think it's great, others want to cling to the past. But the past is what is holding us back.

 

It's just a gimick. Nothing different than what any other companies are doing really. They are giving anywhere from 25% to 60% off on products, you can't expect them to make that available to 100 people. So they make it a limited offer for one or two people and then move on to the next product.

 

That whole post is sig worthy. Just saying.

And yeah I know I'm just pissed because I fell asleep and woke up to all of the S3 H/E's sold!!

 

You know it's funny cause I don't even run a ZZP product on my car at the moment. But I will in the future.

 

Very well put sir!!

 

this is performance related. moved.

 

heres my .02, u want the best header for the eco then u want an AMMFAB header. the proto N/A header is done for the 02-05 cavis, now onto the cobalts.





























mike

 

Nice work, man...you fab that all yourself?

 

no this other guy named mike did


mike

 

so your front O2 gets moved waaaaay back to the back

 

u know i actually havent asked the owner where he wants it, i would put it right past the collector to get a reading from all 4 holes vs putting it in just one tube u know.


mike

 

If it's not in the collector you're just gathering readings from one cylinder. You always want it in the collector. End of story.

 

yes, but if he wants its somewhere else then ill put it where he wants. im sure he'll be fine with it there as hes not an idiot u know. i alway see other headers with the o2 sensor coming off one tube and i think............. why?


mike

 

I dunno, that may be a great header for a n/a ecotec, but for a supercharged LSJ, ZZP already stated that OTTPs primaries were too long, those look pretty long if not longer as well.

I think the best longtube header on the market is going to be ZZP because you can trust their research and testings.

Don't get me wrong though, that's a fabulous looking header.

 

of course they will say that, they dont have a long tube header that they sell.......... and im pretty sure mine are longer then ottp's. i bet if u put mine up against both of them mine will come out on top. as soon as i get a super charged coabalt header done lets do a dyno comparison. i only make the best sir.......... quality, looks and performance.


mike

 

I don't think its safe for anyone to say since there's no dyno proven gains or losses yet from ottp which I must say is strange.
zzp doesn't have any either. The numbers they have include too many variables as they even stated

 

I look forward to a comparison then. Touche

 

IMO i don't think one long tube header is going to blow the other away in performance gains. They are both quality headers. This seems to be coming down to which company do you like better. I have nothing against either company. I've delt with both. Whats lacking is that OTTP has no data to back up their header which seems really wierd. How are you supposed to sell something if you can't tell someone roughly what kind of gains they are going to expect. ZZP doesnt really either except for Tim's badass redline. But i think they will take more drive to get numbers for people. Because thats what people want. But in the end i think anyone would be happy with either header. Just my opinion.

 

im not bad mouthing zzp trust me i got all thier parts. i think i may have started a war haha. and from putting the s3 h/e on for error i had 2 mechanics with me and even just putting it up to the bumper the tabs didnt line up right. i also know another guys whos bumper didnt line up also. i mean im not pised or anythin it does its job and thats all that matters

 

Did you email ZZP and tell them? I had a problem with a dual pass i bought from them and they definatly made it right for me.

 

let me find a local and ill see about getting that thing together as soon as possible ralli


mike

 

I expect simililar results from each company. It will come down to buyer reviews and price for me

 

I completly agree. I purchased Frews OTTP long tube today because i got it for a good price. I would like to do just a comparison on the header but i will be changing the catback at the same time. But i don't think i'm going to be disappointed with it. OTTP makes quality stuff. Red 2.0 is in the process of doing a before and after with an OTTP long tube. The header is on and will be on the dyno next week he says.