Losing boost ? Help!!!
DUDE, don't waste your money on the actuator. I did, did not help the situation...well in my case anyway. I replaced that and the solenoid before the actuator...and nothing....no fix..The only way i'm able to boost 19-20 now is the boost bypass mod. That's how i've been running my car for a while. I belive my problem, and what might be yours, is that we have something wrong electrical. I still don't have any freakin clue as to why my boost bleeds. I couldn't even hit my full 19 with it, I only hit like 17 and by 5500 rpms it drops down to 5. I checked for an unplugged sensor, but I found none on my car.
BTW, do you have your rear o2 sensor removed by any chance? Also, does your car smell after your drive it (serious question, open up the engine bay after your drive it and see if you get a weird smell)
Also, how much timing are you running? Drive your car with the boost bypass mod...does it seem slower? My 2.5 pullied cobalt with every bolt basically can barely walk a gm stage 2 with intake and catback, and thats with me on 100 octane.....I'm really just thinking about picking up a brand new crate motor with the supercharger and pcm and starting from scratch
BTW, do you have your rear o2 sensor removed by any chance? Also, does your car smell after your drive it (serious question, open up the engine bay after your drive it and see if you get a weird smell)
Also, how much timing are you running? Drive your car with the boost bypass mod...does it seem slower? My 2.5 pullied cobalt with every bolt basically can barely walk a gm stage 2 with intake and catback, and thats with me on 100 octane.....I'm really just thinking about picking up a brand new crate motor with the supercharger and pcm and starting from scratch
I was waiting for you to chime in adam... but yeah, it seems some cars do that from time to time. I say e-mail me your file, I'll make sure nothing was over looked. and if all else fails try doing a write entire. Hopefully that should fix it.
One of these days I'll see you again and I can take a look at what the hell is going on with your car. I'll be trying to make some the NJ meets this year so I"m sure I'll see ya at one of those.
[QUOTE=607Motorsports;917616]boost should not be bleeding off this much, it's dropping down to under 10psi and the top end just feels really doggish. Which line needs to be unhooked and plugged on the bypass?
It is the bottom line on the bpv it comes from the solonoid at the rear of the head.
It is the bottom line on the bpv it comes from the solonoid at the rear of the head.
it sounds like the boost bypass solenoid. (the electrical one on the side of the head) is allowing it to bleed off boost. i mean if you are disconnecting the boost line from the bypass solenoid. plugging it and holding boost it seems like that would be the cause. its not likely to be the bypass valve or actuator because that would just bleed boost back into the sc right before the rotors causing a pressure drop for sure but i doubt it would bring it to 10psi or less at wot where you should be pushing between 17-20psi. so i would say if the boost bypass mod works then it is very likely to be the bypass solenoid. i would not be inclined to think it has to much to do with the tune with no CEL espicially in 3rd gear with no torque management and no CEL.
Thanks for all the info guys. I will randomly get a .3 or .7 knock here or there, nothing major. The tune is conservative right now as Paul wanted to just get me up and running and then we could tweak from there. I'm going to try doing the bypass mod tonight for a couple pulls and see if this changes things. I am 99% positive that the boost in first and second are both 100% in HPTuners but i'll do a full read just to make sure. I really think this has to do with the bypass valve, which sucks because I saw that thing is like $160 bucks 
stevo if you can get me some info on where you got you bypass, a part # or any other info I would really appreciate it.
I did the boost bypass mod tonight just to check and I get full boost of 18-19psi. When I hook it back up it bleeds off once again at 5500rpms + and now goes down to as low as 8-9psi
So now I know it has something to do with the bypass or the selenoid right? Thanks for all the help so far guys.
I did the boost bypass mod tonight just to check and I get full boost of 18-19psi. When I hook it back up it bleeds off once again at 5500rpms + and now goes down to as low as 8-9psi
You have the same problem as I do. If someone knows what the heck it is, PLEASE, OMG PLEASE LET US KNOW. The solenoid runs into the intake manifold??? Hmm...how would you replace that? I replaced my actuator and valve thingy majig....lol w/e its called
stevo if you can get me some info on where you got you bypass, a part # or any other info I would really appreciate it.
I did the boost bypass mod tonight just to check and I get full boost of 18-19psi. When I hook it back up it bleeds off once again at 5500rpms + and now goes down to as low as 8-9psi
So now I know it has something to do with the bypass or the selenoid right? Thanks for all the help so far guys.
I did the boost bypass mod tonight just to check and I get full boost of 18-19psi. When I hook it back up it bleeds off once again at 5500rpms + and now goes down to as low as 8-9psi
I think the solonoid is a normally opened unit meaning when not energized it lets the signal through. If you have jumper wire you could jump the pcm wire(grey) to gnd and check the signal output of the solonoid there should be no vacuum leaking through at idle.
or boost under load.
Last edited by spaz; Mar 19, 2007 at 10:46 PM.
I would just tune the car with the bypass mod in effect.Set up your timing tables so it gets no kr. My reasoning is we allways want full boost.If you want some way of lowering power output for traction don't use boost % I would use the desired torque vs rpm in the supercharger torque mangement section.
ummm, we aren't running stock tunes. My tune should say 100 across the board on the 1st and 2nd gear reductions....
Yeah that's what i'm probably going to do soon. Just have to do it on a day that I have time to mess around with it.
I would just tune the car with the bypass mod in effect.Set up your timing tables so it gets no kr. My reasoning is we allways want full boost.If you want some way of lowering power output for traction don't use boost % I would use the desired torque vs rpm in the supercharger torque mangement section.
Last edited by memphisr24; Mar 19, 2007 at 10:53 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
well.. you would want higher than 100% across the board.. Since stock it shows 200% up to the point where it bleeds boost then drops to 100%
same here... I think I figured out his problem... just waiting to hear back from him. We shall see..
also with version 2.1.17 you have more control over boost limits in all gears it looks like. and it looks like you can also completly disable boost. hmmmmm.... have a few people I"d like to **** with.... lol
also with version 2.1.17 you have more control over boost limits in all gears it looks like. and it looks like you can also completly disable boost. hmmmmm.... have a few people I"d like to **** with.... lol
Hey Paul, I'll try this out after work today. Do you want me to flash the entire file to my car or just change those 2 parameters we spoke about? I've sent Keith an email requesting the 2.1.17 so I should have that today. Thanks man.
Just change the differences in the file I sent you. I think I only changed about 4 different things. But it is the exact same tune I am running in my car right now with 0 KR and full boost (20+psi) all the way to redline.
Yeah, I was freaked out at first when I tried putting in 200 as the boost for my friend Rob's car and it kept going back to 100...I was like uh oh....but it seems like it doesn't matter because his car runs great and is a FREAK. But his car has always been a freak.
still no fix for the issue i'm having with losing boost
I reflashed my PCM last night with the new tune and still had the same exact issues. When I do the bypass mod the car instantly wakes up and jumps right up to 19psi and holds to redline. When I hook the bypass back up it bleeds off the boost above 5000rpms all the way down under 10psi. I'm thinking this must mean its the bypass valve, anyone have any info on how much these are exactly?
still no fix for the issue i'm having with losing boost
I reflashed my PCM last night with the new tune and still had the same exact issues. When I do the bypass mod the car instantly wakes up and jumps right up to 19psi and holds to redline. When I hook the bypass back up it bleeds off the boost above 5000rpms all the way down under 10psi. I'm thinking this must mean its the bypass valve, anyone have any info on how much these are exactly? 
it was odd btwn his file and mine there were 2 different things in grey for the boost control, never saw those before.. but since I can't edit his exact file... I'll have to look into that tonight and send the table data over.


