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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:41 PM
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Massive oil consumption issue (pic inside)

i was hoping that horrible oil burning issue was the turbo but i just have such good luck these days. but anyways, to make a long story short, this is what i found when i took out the spark plug in the number 3 cylinder:

yes, thats oil and not only that, i shined a flashlight into the cylinder itself and theres a %%%%ing pool of oil sitting on top of the piston. it looks like this is the cause of my bad smoking issue. im so aggravated right now and the worst part is, i dont know what to do. number 3 was the only cylinder that looks like that.. the rest of the plugs look like ash (on the tips) idk if thats normal or not. i havent beaten on the car because I CANT. ive been running on limp mode since the car was first started. i have 150 miles on this new engine and ray assembled the whole bottom end for me. paid him 3000 dollars for this. wtf do i do?
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:54 PM
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get your money back?
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:54 PM
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Another Ray Bates failure...
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:55 PM
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whoop his ass.... who is ray?
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:57 PM
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I love how everyone points the finger at Ray Bates. I'd be willing to bet that the head is to blame here. ESPECIALLY since there is Oil POOLING on the piston.

The fact that you drove the car around in Limp Mode isn't exactly the best for a motor break-in, either.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:59 PM
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could be the ring that seals the valve cover to the spark plug passages
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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doesnt explain why there is a pool of oil on top of the piston
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 07:10 PM
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Looks like burnt coolant as well. What a strange ash lol
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFieldMP
I love how everyone points the finger at Ray Bates. I'd be willing to bet that the head is to blame here. ESPECIALLY since there is Oil POOLING on the piston.

The fact that you drove the car around in Limp Mode isn't exactly the best for a motor break-in, either.
i understand where your coming from but since its been 2 and a half months since ive had a car to drive, i didnt care that it was driving in limp mode.. its all because of that stupid gas pedal sensor crap
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 02:04 AM
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headgasket or rings
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 02:32 AM
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I would say rings.....maybe the notches in the rings are aligned?
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFieldMP
I love how everyone points the finger at Ray Bates. I'd be willing to bet that the head is to blame here. ESPECIALLY since there is Oil POOLING on the piston.

The fact that you drove the car around in Limp Mode isn't exactly the best for a motor break-in, either.
the more i think about it, the more im starting to agree with you.. i think theres something wrong with the head.. i should hopefully getting a leak down test done on it today so we'll see.. if it were the rings, how would there be oil pooling on top of the piston? i dont know
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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I would of not driven the car in limp mode until that was fixed bro. especially after buying a fully built block
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 10:41 AM
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Did you get a hold of Ray?
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 10:59 AM
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I popped my engine thought about building one but it's so cheap to get a stock longblock and a boost spike is going to break **** on a built motor anyways. I know off topic a bit lol
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 12:30 PM
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I would say rings.....maybe the notches in the rings are aligned?
wouldent cause that problem it looks like a valve seal or head gasket problem could be the o ring around the spark plug but i doubt it
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 12:44 PM
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I'm going to have to agree with USMCfieldMP here. If it where the block or pistons or rings, then it wouldn't pool on top of the piston like that.

Lets try to use common sense here.

What kind of head gasket did you go with? Hopefully not a cometic.

Are you 100% positive that the machinest that worked on your head milled it? You should have been able to tell for yourself once you picked it up.

It's either the head, or the top of the block. I would think that Ray mills the top of the block on every build he does. I'd point the finger at your head machinest first.

And just to add, I would NOT have been driving around for 150miles in limp mode either. Hopefully that manevour didn't ruin the whole engine.

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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 12:47 PM
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wouldent cause that problem it looks like a valve seal or head gasket problem could be the o ring around the spark plug but i doubt it
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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nothing wrong with cometic ive used them on lsj engines with out a problem i will say this the only problem with them is user error
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 09:40 PM
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My Humble Opinion: Faulty Oil Control Ring/Compression Rings in #3 Cylinder. Faulty Valve Guides in #3 Cylinder: Check Cylinder Compression compare #3 to #1, 2, and 4.
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 09:51 PM
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Valve guides or seals... I agree with MRBELVEDERE
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Old Aug 20, 2010 | 07:45 AM
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alright, i had a wet and dry comppression test and leak down test done yesterday.. dry compression test was between 160-165 across the board.. tested cylinder 3 and 2 for the wet.. they both jumped up to 190. the leak down test showed that there is indeed something wrong with this head... it was showing a 40% loss or whatever you call it on the gauge and i could hear the air escaping through the intake manifold.. but i dont know if thats the only problem.. it just doesnt make sense because im smoking so much its ridiculous.. i already have to buy new plugs because these are shot.
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Old Aug 20, 2010 | 09:38 AM
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when it blew, was it the #3 sleeve that went? the only thing i can think of is maybe it damaged the valve seal, it's definitely not the rings
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Old Aug 20, 2010 | 09:39 AM
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its the head.. he did a test and looks like the head is the prob or part of it
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Old Aug 20, 2010 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rico
its the head.. he did a test and looks like the head is the prob or part of it
yep, that's why i was asking what sleeve went initially, maybe some voodoo happened and jacked up the valve seals on #3 when it blew
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