Ya my wot temps are prob 10 to 20 higher than yours but i'm not concerned about it casue in the end they're still at a safe level.
My recoverys fast and wot temps never get even close to dangerous so..

 

Thats cool but at the end of the day meth still helps to keep your motor running safe and creating more power. Meth is a great cooling mod and you would know that if you were using it. Your temps would be lower with it and you could run more timing safely.

 

Well.. then that means you in a different situation.

I dont think either of us know what the op's intentions are.

If he wants to push his car, then go with meth.

If he doesnt (which is your case) then he doesnt need it.

 

Yes but for the normal person is all the upkeep and such worth it? nah. he's just doing 2.8 and 60's with which what i said would work well for. now 2.7 2.6 2.5, then i'd def look into some meth.

 

+1 anyone who wants to get the most out of there car should be using meth. If you are just worried about daily driving cruising temps on the highway then buy a heat exchanger because the only time you will use the meth is if your in boost. Most people aren't in boost while cruising

There is absolutely no "upkeep" to using meth other then filling the tank. I don't see how its that hard to pour meth into a tank lol..

 

upkeep?...

The only upkeep is buying and pouring in meth...

You cant justify meth not being productive. We understand that you dont like it and you dont wanna use it, but that doesnt mean it might not benefit someone else.

 

There's plenty of upkeep. Filling it up. Geting the mixtures that you're tuned for in the right proportions everytime. Making sure the pump is functional. Making sure that all connections are still intact. Do I go on? Do I need to point some motors that have gone pop becuase of a meth failure, and keep in mind these were people that know what they're doing?

I'm not discouriging anyone from it but get your real cooling mods first so you have something to at least "fall back on".

 

Exactly, if you actually race your car on a track of any sorts then meth is very productive. Most of the regular daily drivers don't buy 60lbers and a 2.8 anyways. If the op is considering meth or a heat exchanger then he obviously isn't a random noob who just wants to drive on the highway and worry about his cruising temps.

 

Making sure hoses arent leaking.

You also have an intercooler pump.

replacing fluid when neccessary.


Everything has upkeep. Because you dont want to do it shouldnt mean that it isnt effective.

 

LoL your upkeep is a joke. It's not difficult to fill up a tank half the way with distilled water and half the way up with meth. You don't need to get the mixture even close to exact, it doesn't matter as long as its within reason. The pump is going to be functional or you would get an error light. All the connections would be intact if you weren't an idiot and new what you were doing, also an error light would come up if it wasn't correct. Also your motor wouldn't blow if you weren't running a ridiculous amount of timing and new what you were doing.

+1 good call short. What about your intercooler pump and the hoses for your heat exchanger and all the "general maintenance" that goes with running the mods you have. Meth is VERY effective, you can't argue that.

 

Excatly which is the cost of modifying is constantly keeping an eye. Meth is even more keeping an eye and getting things correct when you're mixing and such.
I never said it's not effective I've seen timing tables from people with small ass pulleys and meth and they were amazing to say the least.
2.8 and 60's with the basic cooling mods I listed is very DD'able and the reason that ottp sells their kits as 2.8 and 60's imo. Anything below that's going to require some extra cooling via meth and such if you're going to be pushing it.
This debates so played out it's not even funny..There's no right or wrong it's personal choice.
If he's going to be running on the street and not see too much track time like me than tell me what is the point of him getting meth over a h/e and other cooling mods? He wants to stay cold cold when he's boosting and heatsoak like a **** whenever he's not in boost? no it doesn't make sense to.

 

Whats the measured drop in iat2's you guys have?

 

Because you are personally choosing not to run meth for the street.

However, I on the other hand would love to.

Thats the difference.

 

I will tell you the point. If he races on the street or does a lot of WOT running on the street and or he cares about hp which the op clearly does or else he wouldnt be going with 2.8 and 60lbers, then he should use meth because it will keep his iat2's lower then just a heat exchanger and allow him to run more timing.

There is no right or wrong answer here, its just annoying that you are so against meth. Meth is a great product and does amazing things for our motors. You don't have to be "exact" on the mixtures either, its not going to put your afr off all that much.

Meth is a BETTER cooling mod then a heat exchanger though. Meth will keep your iat2's lower then a heat exchanger will on multiple wot pulls.

+1 shortstack, I run meth every day on the street and if I ran out my motor wouldn't blow. I would get an error light letting me know my tank is close to being empty and then I would get another light on when it is empty and then I would see knock on my interceptor and back off. It would take being pretty careless to blow your motor when your meth tank runs empty and its not that hard to check it every time you fill up your gas tank.

 

Its not hard just to check every few days if you arent sure either...

 

I never said I was so against it. If I decide to go lower I'll probably end up getting it and putting a lot of failsafes in to prevent something from ******* up.
Looking at my log runs from last night highest IAT2 I hit was 88 degrees at WOT with a 52 ambient.
Just some actual numbers.....

What kits do you have that have warning lights like that..I was unaware there were ones for if the pump fucked and such..

 

The only fail safe you would really need is to not run so much timing, then it wouldn't matter if you were outta meth or not.

What kinda "wot" pull was this? 1st gear only? 1st through 3rd? What is your shift rpm, etc. Little more info would be appreciated.

 

What was the starting temp? What gear? How long?

This was also aimed at the meth guy's.

Im more than willing to bet the killer chiller will produce far better drops in iat2's than any cooling mod.

 

The devils own kit has error lights on the controller. You can also get a tank fluid level sensor and wire it up to an led light like I did.

 

1st to 2nd end of both of them 1st ending at 6.5 2nd ending at 7. Car was on for about 10-15 mins. Was about 50 deg out so that always helps but you get my point of not being close to dangerous at all. I'll get some when it gets hotter out and have better roads to run on like the highway and such. I have a 3.0 on right now too btw. So that also contributes.
If you're not going to run bigger timing that's half the point of getting meth you're contradicting yourself lol..

 

+1 the killer chiller would probably beat out meth and everything else put together. I just hate the fact that its going to use up my a/c quicker and that it might drop condensation on the track. There was someone who actually got yelled at on the track because of the condensation dropping off onto the track. Something that could be fixed with a catch can or some more insulation im sure but still a turn down for me. I dunno, maybe I will try out the k/c one of these days.

day - I am not contradicting myself at all. You can run meth and run just distilled water for the lowest iat2's possible which would in return create more power. You don't have to increase your timing if your worried about blowing your motor.

So basically from 0-70 your iat2's raised almost 40 degrees, cool.

 

Yeah go deep in third ( at the track of course) it gives a nice condition for how you perform.

 

Yea wind out 1st and 2nd and then 3rd all the way *at the track* and see what your iat2's are. I am sure you could benefit from meth/water injection.

 

Quick fix is to insult the lines so condenstation won't drip this also improves cooling as well.

 

Yea that's what I read. I wonder how much r34 it really uses up.