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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Zach06CobaltSC
I can impress you, I will be making over 400 on the m62 with dyno proof, gotta love a ported head, valve springs and spray =D.
I made this power without a ported head and without spray. I guess I could say I am going to make 450 but that would be just what your doing, just talking. I could also say wait until I get my ported head and spray then I will make 400, but we know I would make more than that will both of those upgrades, or at least thats what I'm claiming. Make the number with proof then talk about it.

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I bet all the guys with a tvs are like what the hell how is he making 330whp with a m62 and i am not even hitting 300whp. Hopefully people will have more respect for zzp now.
Thank you!

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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 10:52 AM
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turbo specs? or date when available?

what did the e85 put out for power @ SAE correction? your ~320 is at STD.

was all the tuning / dyno done via e85? or do you have numbers @ SAE correction on pump?

post 141 has some info, but i want to make sure there's no room for misunderstanding.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ecotecturbo
I bet all the guys with a tvs are like what the hell how is he making 330whp with a m62 and i am not even hitting 300whp. Hopefully people will have more respect for zzp now.
exactly whether or not people like their attitude sometimes they're trying to make products to advance these cars that are good quality at a decent price and thats good for everyone
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:08 AM
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What was needed to convert to E-85 just the tune? This was on a stock head correct?
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Zach06CobaltSC
I can impress you, I will be making over 400 on the m62 with dyno proof, gotta love a ported head, valve springs and spray =D.
n02= fail.....
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:12 AM
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This setup looks ****! Sub'd for final numbers and runs!
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:21 AM
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turbo specs? or date when available?

what did the e85 put out for power @ SAE correction? your ~320 is at STD.

was all the tuning / dyno done via e85? or do you have numbers @ SAE correction on pump?

post 141 has some info, but i want to make sure there's no room for misunderstanding.
There is no turbo on the car.

Post 141 has the answers to your question. I'm not sure why you are asking us questions and then telling us where we already answered them.

293 SAE, 305 STD on the 2.7 pulley.
We pushed it to 304 sae with the 2.7 on e85, then switched to the 2.6 and pushed it to 307 sae, 319 std. The 322 pull was a bit lean at about 9.7:1.
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What was needed to convert to E-85 just the tune? This was on a stock head correct?
We just drained the tank, filled it with E85, and tuned. Unfortunately, the injectors are too small to run E85 at 60 psi. We had to raise the pressure quite a bit.

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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Nice numbers, pretty cool to see that on an M62.

How much is E85 per gallon?
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:25 AM
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LoL @ you Ryan. My motor is blown right now and its getting rebuilt. The motor WILL put down 450 on the spray without problem on the m62, whether or not it holds together is another question.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:27 AM
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Wow somehow I missed this thread! Very impressed. Great work!
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
There is no turbo on the car.

Post 141 has the answers to your question. I'm not sure why you are asking us questions and then telling us where we already answered them.




We just drained the tank, filled it with E85, and tuned. Unfortunately, the injectors are too small to run E85 at 60 psi. We had to raise the pressure quite a bit.
Would 80# Injectors be enough

How does one go about raising the pressure?
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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Would 80# Injectors be enough

How does one go about raising the pressure?
Using our boost ref. system. Check out our webstie
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
There is no turbo on the car.

Post 141 has the answers to your question. I'm not sure why you are asking us questions and then telling us where we already answered them.




We just drained the tank, filled it with E85, and tuned. Unfortunately, the injectors are too small to run E85 at 60 psi. We had to raise the pressure quite a bit.

ok, i'll try again.

we know there is no turbo on the car, you've made a point of saying that multiple times.

however, that in its self, does not mean you don't have such turbo around. the pictures suggest you do.

thus specs can be taken from it, OR bullseye might have given you a spec sheet, making this exchange of information even easier.



as for the numbers, in post 141 you state the fallowing.

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293 SAE, 305 STD on the 2.7 pulley.
We pushed it to 304 sae with the 2.7 on e85, then switched to the 2.6 and pushed it to 307 sae, 319 std. The 322 pull was a bit lean at about 9.7:1.
so you made 293whp/unknown torque-no graph on pump gas with a 2.7

then made 307whp/unknown torque-no graph on pump gas with a 2.6 (14whp delta)

you mention a fuel swap several times, I was trying to take an error prone guess work out of reading your post.


what were the numbers @SAE cal of your 322hp pull?

Originally Posted by Zach06CobaltSC
LoL @ you Ryan. My motor is blown right now and its getting rebuilt. The motor WILL put down 450 on the spray without problem on the m62, whether or not it holds together is another question.
i doubt your tuning skills are adequate enough to sustain a motor as such.

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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:51 AM
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06black - We will have to find out . I figure with a 150 shot I shouldn't have to many problems.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 12:09 PM
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ok e85 have a higher octane but
from my understanding it has lower
thermals from gas or diesel.
keeping the cyl cooler but at lower
therms, does that mean you push more
fuel to get higher result from the loss
of therms?
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 06black
ok, i'll try again.

we know there is no turbo on the car, you've made a point of saying that multiple times.

however, that in its self, does not mean you don't have such turbo around. the pictures suggest you do.

thus specs can be taken from it, OR bullseye might have given you a spec sheet, making this exchange of information even easier.



as for the numbers, in post 141 you state the fallowing.



so you made 293whp/unknown torque-no graph on pump gas with a 2.7

then made 307whp/unknown torque-no graph on pump gas with a 2.6 (14whp delta)

you mention a fuel swap several times, I was trying to take an error prone guess work out of reading your post.


what were the numbers @SAE cal of your 322hp pull?



i doubt your tuning skills are adequate enough to sustain a motor as such.
would you like the specs on the turbo, is that what you are asking, and would you like a dyno chart with torque on it?
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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I think he would like both
as would I.
I'd like to see how these numbers are even possible.
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Originally Posted by Zach06CobaltSC
LoL @ you Ryan. My motor is blown right now and its getting rebuilt. The motor WILL put down 450 on the spray without problem on the m62, whether or not it holds together is another question.
he said good luck before you mentioned that you would be using spray... spray = not very impressive IMO (I think most people share this view as well)....

Originally Posted by HunterKiller89
i dont suppose you guys have any plans to release your balance shaft delete kit? make sure you post the dyno in the highest whp thread, along with any other similar threads
any answer?

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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 06blackg85ss
I think he would like both
as would I.
I'd like to see how these numbers are even possible.
http://www.zzperformance.com/miscftp/Ryan06ss319b.jpg

S362 compr. wheel inducer 61mm exd. 87.7mm beast

Originally Posted by HunterKiller89
he said good luck before you mentioned that you would be using spray... spray = not very impressive IMO (I think most people share this view as well)....



any answer?
we will not be releasing that kit yet, sorry.

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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan@zzp
would you like the specs on the turbo, is that what you are asking, and would you like a dyno chart with torque on it?
yes sir. turbo specs would be nice to see.


i had asked in post#152 but that dick bag of a coworker jumped my **** detroit style(per post#157)

shame that you work with such people as you seem rather reasonable.

a chart with torque would be nice, as a good understanding of the area under the curve could be had.

the extra octane, yet lower latent heat capacity make for some interesting results on this fuel.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 03:41 PM
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For the lazy people on here that just want the picture up front. I would love to see a full pull from about 2000rpms all the way to 7200rpms personally. Also, how much timing was being run overall and/or up top on this run? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by 06black
so you made 293whp/unknown torque-no graph on pump gas with a 2.7

then made 307whp/unknown torque-no graph on pump gas with a 2.6 (14whp delta)

you mention a fuel swap several times, I was trying to take an error prone guess work out of reading your post.


what were the numbers @SAE cal of your 322hp pull?
I don't see where you are you reading 307 on pump gas from this...
293 SAE, 305 STD on the 2.7 pulley.
We pushed it to 304 sae with the 2.7 on e85, then switched to the 2.6 and pushed it to 307 sae, 319 std. The 322 pull was a bit lean at about 9.7:1.
With pump gas and a 2.7 pulley, our highest pull with the dyno set to correct sae was 293. With the dyno set to correct std, the highest it made was 305.

Then we switched to E85 and made 307 sae on the 2.7. Switched to std, it made 322, but was lean on that pull. We richened it up and made 319 std.

Our dyno only corrects one way on each pull. You can't make it print a graph in both corrections from 1 dyno pull. However, if you want an estimate, multiply the std number by .965 and you should be pretty close.

Originally Posted by 06black
i had asked in post#152 but that dick bag of a coworker jumped my **** detroit style(per post#157)

shame that you work with such people as you seem rather reasonable.
What exactly was it that I said that makes me such a dick. The 2 things in my post were-

"There is no turbo on the car."

and

"Post 141 has the answers to your question. I'm not sure why you are asking us questions and then telling us where we already answered them."

Maybe you were reading into it way more than necessary, but there was nothing that I typed that was all that degrading.

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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan@zzp
How is that not impressive on an m62, you must have one of those 350whp tvs powered cars. You do realize that this wasn't on the twincharge setup. I don't think to many people on any of these cobalt forums have made this kind of power on and m62 or at least have proof. I am sure there is a bunch of people that no some one, or had a friend who, or my boy new someone who new someone that made 1000whp on an m62. How much power are you making on your m62? Maybe you can impress me.
if you want to take shots at me. put a name with it,

also. the 2.7 sae numbers on pump gas are 8 hp short. done with a/c, balance shafts, oem water pump.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
if you want to take shots at me. put a name with it,

also. the 2.7 sae numbers on pump gas are 8 hp short. done with a/c, balance shafts, oem water pump.
That wasn't directed towrard you, if it was I would have put Aera 47 didn't even make that power. Your sensitive, did you not tell the truth about something, or is it because you're not backing your whp with time slips? Your so sensitive
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That wasn't directed towrard you, if it was I would have put Aera 47 didn't even make that power. Your sensitive, did you not tell the truth about something, or is it because you're not backing your whp with time slips? Your so sensitive
you're right. i didn't break 300whp on an m62, came close. then i cheated and did a tvs and made more.



sensative? maybe a bit punchy if anything else. truth being told? yep. if i was going to lie about numbers, they would be a lot higher.



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