-Jayson-

no **** sherlock, but just because the blower is a twinscrew design doesnt mean it doesnt rob HP from the engine, a turbo swap running the same CFM of air would still yield much more HP. Not to mention a turbo kit can easily be pieced together for around 1500 dollars.

All im saying is a twinscrew swap is a waste of money if you want HP, its as simple as that. Twinscrew is cool to say you have and yes it will be more powerful. But who is really thinks its a good idea to spend 3,000+ dollars to say they have a twinscrew, when someone else spends 3,000 dollars has a turbo and a car thats a second faster in the 1320?

I also honestly think Mase is going to lose money. He has to much faith in the domestic tuner market. Domestic owners whine and cry for new parts, then when they get them they whine and cry about the price. We drive GM econobox racer because lets face it, most of us couldnt afford a GTO, Vette, Mustang GT, Evo, STi, WRX, or insert more expensive performance car. I doubt theres many poeple on here would honestly pass up any of those cars there for our Econobox racer.

I dont see many more being sold than what was preordered.

Just for ***** and giggles, lets do a quick list here.

Add your name here if you already paid and preorderd Tags Twinscrew kit

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Add your name here if you "Plan" a Tag twinscrew kit within a year of it coming out

1.

RJSS

I was under the impression that the lysholm supercharger being used in the project cost $1500 alone. Therefore, I don't see how the price for the custom snout, meth plate, intake manifold, and other hardware and tuning could possibly be made for $2000. You gotta pay to play.

WSFrazier

I agree with you there. I don't see more than 5 at the most being sold other than the guys that pre-ordered. Look at their Turbo kit, I don't believe they sold 1 so far other than the test guy. They also jacked the price up on that as well.

JCswoosher2

You mine as well say bye to Tag

Mattman6

This guy is trying to give some aftermarket support and all you guys give me **** about it. At least someone is doing something to help with our blower that is holding us back.

Omega_5

I didn't get in on the original deal because I knew this would be a long wait. Also, I'd like to see a few in action before buying one. I'm also going to assume that I'm not the only one who doesn't want to be a test subject, but have the twin screw in their plans.

Smarty Art

I want a blower because everyone and their grandma has a turbo. There are so many cars that have them. Poeple want a blower because of the power band, sound, less chance that you can have a problem such as a boost leak.

If you can piece together a turbo kit for 1500 do it, and stop ranting here. Sounds like you don't have enough money and you are pissed. Most people wouldn't know how to begin fabbing a kit let alone tuning it. The blower swap looks like it's bolt on and can be done with hand tools.

Mikey851

I'm going to have to agree with this post. The setup will probably turn out bad ass, but the price range is that of someone who's goal is outright speed. That person will go turbo unless they are just trying to be unique.

I'm seriously not trying to knock the kit at all. I would like to see a full setup by TAG just like the one mentioned in this thread; but, on top of that if you guys could just make available the hardware to fit the twin screw I think some people would be interested in that, or maybe I'm wrong.

I also see your point, but in this case Jayson is actually just speaking the truth, not ranting. He's giving the kit credit and saying that it will probably be really nice. I don't know how many people will buy this kit and I don't want to make assumptions. IMO, like I said above if the mounting hardware is made available by itself then I believe some more people may partake. I'm not saying that will make for a better kit, because it won't; just think about all of the people on the forum that already have 60s, HP Tuners etc. etc. who may just want the ability to swap the blower.

Edit: Trust me if I had the money I would be interested in the kit; I like the fact that the Cobalt is supercharged, it's unique.

Acidangel_5.0

yea, you make a valid point and nobody can argue with you on "power"... however.. you have to also realize people want different things because we each use our vehicles different but we have a common bond of wanting to mod the coby. I would love to have a turbo car.. but the feasibility of this is realistically 0%.. i can wish and want all i want but a twinscrew is something i could/would buy on a dime. Its a more owner friendly piece to work with and maintain.. i dont want stress over the car.. i have a hot rod, this is just my little DD toy.. i want simple/easy/bolt on and go.. which a twinscrew swap is compared to a turbo converion.. It all just depends on what you want.. have you ever had a card-board box wing? nope.. well neither have i.. but they are out there..

personally i feel if this is done geniually right a good chunk of change can be made.. i would buy this.. but not instantly.. i like to sit and watch how things are once a piece is added. And no matter who has done anything for our car and how nice its been.. as soon as public received it.. Tuning has been the problem. If this can be primary focus and be dead on.. then there would be many customers.. i mean.. why do you think all these little companys come and go on here... its not the products they sale.. its the ability to tune indivual cars from different elevation/humidity/b.p./etc, there are alot of people on this forum that do not take this in to account enough.. to many uneducated tuners that focus primarily on power only... here is order of our avg vender.

day 1 : hey guys blah blah.. all is love... we are making item x
day 14: item x released, company is held as gods with dynos and people kissing ass so hard its not funny and all bandwagoneirs are on.
day 36: 511xbillion threads on "i blew my **** up from X companys tune" or some ****
day 40: company slowly disappears
day 90: people remember that compnay as a thing of the past.

-Jayson-

i honestly think if made right it could make alot of money. But i dont think the path he is taking is going to net him the most money. Hes shooting to high, as a new product he needs to expect it to lose money the first year or so. Thats a given. He should talk to eaton about getting a discount price or something, 1500 dollars is if your buying one from a company, a company buying form eaton can more than likely get them alot cheaper. If he wants to make some money, drop the HP, drop the dual pass intercooler plate, drop the price a bit so its more available to the average joe. Then you sell more, once you start selling more the price can drop further and sell even more. WHy do you think everything for imports is so cheap compared to our cars? because they buy more which reduces the price. I think he should just put out a basic kit, charger and hardware needed to connect it. Sell that kit for 2,000 dollars and let us worry about the rest of it.

If he reduces his work load and puts more on us, he can reduce is production cost and reduce the overall price. More people can and will buy it, he will make more money. He can still offer a deluxe package with all the bells and whistles, people will still buy it. I mean lets face it, how many people here bought GM stage 2, and later upgraded the same parts they paid extra for in the stage 2 kit over the stage 1 kit.

And im not bashing or pissed off cause i cant afford it or whatever you few morons think. Im simply trying to inform people about the kit the good and the bad. It seems like everytime you tell this forum something that isnt good news, they get all pissy.

Like ive said before, i applaud Tag and mases efforts and im sure either way this kit will kick some ass and make some badass cobalts. Im just trying to offer my view of the situation and what i as a customer would be looking for. Every company knows they need customer feedback and input to be successful. I fear with all these people drooling over the kit they arent seeing the real picture and are just seeing what the droolers are saying, the ones who drool and go nuts over, but will never invest a dime into it.

widebody_balt_ss

Well... I for one am building an engine for my car and do plan on a big "power adder". Im looking forward to this and the stuff that T.N.T is trying to put together. hundreds of people on here have been waiting and waiting for stuff like this. i have read countless threds on here about people wanting something like this. now, they just need to put their money where there mouth is.
On a side note I cant wait to put a few turbo punks in their place with some good ol' supercharger MUSCLE!. Good job tag and thank you for putting all this work into this I hope it all comes together in the end !

tcolli17

Have you ever seen the prices for turbocharger kits for our cars?

Mase

oh god here we go again, if anyone wants updates without going through the 150 pages that will compile, go to ontariocobaltclub.com

cheers

SSMOKEM

Thanks, Thread was good for awhile

Scythe_Snake

Thank you for the link.


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cahtr6

3K does not seem like a bad price. I spent 6K putting on a K/B 2.1 I/C on my 04 GT Mustang was it worth it hell ya. What are your guys thoughts on the pistons holding up or is that just an issue with an inadequate fuel system?

kawasakizx6rr

damn man theres finally something really good coming out for our cars and theres always somebody trying to put it down, just because is not on your "econobox racing" price range, doesnt mean people wont get it, get over it man, this is probably the best aftermarket product for the ss/sc so far. everybody is waiting for a bigger blower, if people put the cars in 12's with the stock blower, imagine the numbers with a twinscrew?? so MR ECONOBOX, IF YOU DONT LIKE THE TWINSCREW, SCREW YOU

BoomInIt

1500 is just for the charger itself, the other 1500 for machined parts and tune not to bad...

ssritz

Well it all comes down to what you know how to work with and what is it that you want to do with your car. For me I like superchargers and I am looking forward to the twinscrew swap since I know how to work with a supercharger better than turbos. Turbos are to much maintence and for the trouble of having one to me is not worth it. Superchargers are known to be more reliable than turbos and are also more streetable, but still at the end of the day it comes down to what you want. Oh and I own a cobalt for the simple reason that I always wanted to own one. For your information I own a 94 z28 and it was a badas car and loved it to death but times move on and needed something new. As far as econoboxes that is what the ls and lt are for. Also remeber these cars aren't that cheap either. I don't know about you but it seem like you hate your cobalt, and I really don't care all that matters to me is that I love my car and will drive it to the ground just to restore it at the end. This car will last for as long as I can keep it alive.

Rodimus_Prime

iTrader: (3)

Jayson, your an idiot period, you obviously have no idea at all what your talking about and I strongly doubt you been in this game very long.

3000 dollars for a kit with this power and potential is quite the bargain, even the GM supercharger kit for the L61 is 2600 and thats much lower quality than what this is with a junk Eaton blower.

If you did any research AT ALL you would see that the whipple chargers are actually more efficient than turbos not to mention the installation of this kit is 10x easier than putting in a turbo and Ive yet to single cobalt ss/sc converted to a turbo here or anywhere else that didnt look like some honda boys swapped hack job, some ppl like style in addition to going fast. Also if you ever actually owned a car that didnt come factory with a turbo and then put one on, you would understand why its not a reliable option.

Turbo kits can be "pieced" together for 1500 but it will also run and look like a "piece" of ****. If your not spending at least 1000 for a turbo and intercooler, your not even close to doing it right, not to mention a quality manifold being needed (ebay doesnt count). From what I have read this setup will be able to go to 29psi? Seems like more than enough to hang with any turbo.

Do you really think that anyone willing to spend 3000 on this kit is going to care much about spending a couple hundred on a clutch? Comes with the Territory, you want to go fast deal with it. The only domestic owner whining about the price and a new part seems to be you.

Wheel Hop? and 3rd gear problems? Where the hell does 3rd gear have to do with anything? Wheel Hop doesnt exist if you mod your car right, the parts are already on the market for this car, read up maybe you will learn not to talk out of your ass.

Why would I want a Mustang Gt?, its slower then the Cobalt stock and certainly slower than a cobalt ss with only the GM parts on it. Evos and Stis are 4 door and ugly and 10-12k more for marginally more performance. GTOs are a ******* joke all it is a 97 grand prix with a V8 theres no GTOish design at all to them. Theres tons of vids on Youtube and every where else of the cobalt taking down those mentioned cars with ease.

But whatever, I dont buy products without first seeing long term results, I want to see dyno numbers, I want to see pics, and I want to know if they last. I dont buy unproven products on a whim, thats why I didnt preorder and its why I read every thread about this.

Mase keep up the good work and doing it right is more important than doing it fast.

rickyw

i got to go change my pants now

USMCFieldMP

iTrader: (1)

And that's just the direct swap with the stock pulley size, right? Drop that beotch down to like a 2.5" and make 450whp ?!

yellowcobaltss05

this is exciting!

Scythe_Snake

I was thinking something like that!

Blown 4-banger

How odd, thats the same blower I'm most likely going to use on my Cobalt.