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The GM stage kits have to run safe...GM isn't going to put something on a car and warranty it if it's running lean, what company in their right mind would do that, it's going to cause **** to break.
Intense doesn't have to worry about warranty, they can tune for the best performance and not worry about what might break. If you install Intense stage 4 and 6 months from now you have a problem with the car, who's paying to get it fixed? you are. Gm doesn't have this luxury, if you think GM *can't* get more performance out of the car you're delusional. Comparing aftermarket tunes to GM tunes is interesting and I'd love to see the numbers of the intense tunes vs the GM tunes, but stating that all things other then performance should be cast aside is a narrow-minded view of things. No one is saying the Intense stages aren't tuned more for power then GM's stages is, at least I havn't seen anyone say that, and I'm in no way saying Intense has the intent to blow your engine.
Simply put, GM and Intense have different rules by which they must play, and you can't expect GM to come up with the same results, when they have to worry about reliability and Intense does not. I for one will be going with the GM stage 2, as my warranty is important to me for the time being, I can't see myself doing anything to seriously void the warranty until the car is alot closer to being paid off.
Intense doesn't have to worry about warranty, they can tune for the best performance and not worry about what might break. If you install Intense stage 4 and 6 months from now you have a problem with the car, who's paying to get it fixed? you are. Gm doesn't have this luxury, if you think GM *can't* get more performance out of the car you're delusional. Comparing aftermarket tunes to GM tunes is interesting and I'd love to see the numbers of the intense tunes vs the GM tunes, but stating that all things other then performance should be cast aside is a narrow-minded view of things. No one is saying the Intense stages aren't tuned more for power then GM's stages is, at least I havn't seen anyone say that, and I'm in no way saying Intense has the intent to blow your engine.
Simply put, GM and Intense have different rules by which they must play, and you can't expect GM to come up with the same results, when they have to worry about reliability and Intense does not. I for one will be going with the GM stage 2, as my warranty is important to me for the time being, I can't see myself doing anything to seriously void the warranty until the car is alot closer to being paid off.
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Darksun280 :
Not trying to be offensive just curious? You consider people that go with the GM stage kits "sheep" because everyone is doing it and they are going with the "herd"? Correct? I could be mistaken.
But you consider the intense kits not being "sheep" like? Haha thats great, I really hope I'm just mistaken.
Here are the differences:
GM kits - Keep Warranty
Intense kits - More power
Neither are innovative. Everyone is doing both. The Cobalt SS is too new for that to be alot of innovators out there. Regardless you and I'm pretty sure no one else on this forum are trying new things.
Bahhhhh
Not trying to be offensive just curious? You consider people that go with the GM stage kits "sheep" because everyone is doing it and they are going with the "herd"? Correct? I could be mistaken.
But you consider the intense kits not being "sheep" like? Haha thats great, I really hope I'm just mistaken.
Here are the differences:
GM kits - Keep Warranty
Intense kits - More power
Neither are innovative. Everyone is doing both. The Cobalt SS is too new for that to be alot of innovators out there. Regardless you and I'm pretty sure no one else on this forum are trying new things.
Bahhhhh
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Originally Posted by CynicX
Darksun280 :
Not trying to be offensive just curious? You consider people that go with the GM stage kits "sheep" because everyone is doing it and they are going with the "herd"? Correct? I could be mistaken.
But you consider the intense kits not being "sheep" like? Haha thats great, I really hope I'm just mistaken.
Here are the differences:
GM kits - Keep Warranty
Intense kits - More power
Neither are innovative. Everyone is doing both. The Cobalt SS is too new for that to be alot of innovators out there. Regardless you and I'm pretty sure no one else on this forum are trying new things.
Bahhhhh
Not trying to be offensive just curious? You consider people that go with the GM stage kits "sheep" because everyone is doing it and they are going with the "herd"? Correct? I could be mistaken.
But you consider the intense kits not being "sheep" like? Haha thats great, I really hope I'm just mistaken.
Here are the differences:
GM kits - Keep Warranty
Intense kits - More power
Neither are innovative. Everyone is doing both. The Cobalt SS is too new for that to be alot of innovators out there. Regardless you and I'm pretty sure no one else on this forum are trying new things.
Bahhhhh
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Originally Posted by Spoony
The GM stage kits have to run safe...GM isn't going to put something on a car and warranty it if it's running lean, what company in their right mind would do that, it's going to cause **** to break.
Intense doesn't have to worry about warranty, they can tune for the best performance and not worry about what might break. If you install Intense stage 4 and 6 months from now you have a problem with the car, who's paying to get it fixed? you are. Gm doesn't have this luxury, if you think GM *can't* get more performance out of the car you're delusional. Comparing aftermarket tunes to GM tunes is interesting and I'd love to see the numbers of the intense tunes vs the GM tunes, but stating that all things other then performance should be cast aside is a narrow-minded view of things. No one is saying the Intense stages aren't tuned more for power then GM's stages is, at least I havn't seen anyone say that, and I'm in no way saying Intense has the intent to blow your engine.
Simply put, GM and Intense have different rules by which they must play, and you can't expect GM to come up with the same results, when they have to worry about reliability and Intense does not. I for one will be going with the GM stage 2, as my warranty is important to me for the time being, I can't see myself doing anything to seriously void the warranty until the car is alot closer to being paid off.
Intense doesn't have to worry about warranty, they can tune for the best performance and not worry about what might break. If you install Intense stage 4 and 6 months from now you have a problem with the car, who's paying to get it fixed? you are. Gm doesn't have this luxury, if you think GM *can't* get more performance out of the car you're delusional. Comparing aftermarket tunes to GM tunes is interesting and I'd love to see the numbers of the intense tunes vs the GM tunes, but stating that all things other then performance should be cast aside is a narrow-minded view of things. No one is saying the Intense stages aren't tuned more for power then GM's stages is, at least I havn't seen anyone say that, and I'm in no way saying Intense has the intent to blow your engine.
Simply put, GM and Intense have different rules by which they must play, and you can't expect GM to come up with the same results, when they have to worry about reliability and Intense does not. I for one will be going with the GM stage 2, as my warranty is important to me for the time being, I can't see myself doing anything to seriously void the warranty until the car is alot closer to being paid off.
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Originally Posted by LittleMT
I for one, didn't buy this car for a warantee. Your little method of as you said, "My theory even though not safe or good for the car is that a 3.0 pulley cobalt running lean and ragged as all hell" is a ignorant strategy to say the least. Be our guest and blow your car up, and don't liken that silly 'theory' of yours to any debate on SRT forums of Stage 0 being better then Stage 1 or Stage 2, because nobody over there from what I have seen was saying anything remotely close to you foolish 'theory'...
These cars must be tuned and tuned properly, I personally think HP Tuners is the ticket, and if I was doing your 'setup' it would include bigger injectors and HP Tuners and a nice, safe tune.
Not some run it ragg'd to hell lean bullshit, cmon... Even if you are able to outrun a GM Stage option whom in their right mind would want there car running in such a manner, a ticking time bomb so to speak...
Folks of this board, take it from someone whom has been in this game for quite sometime, you will have foolish people pop up with mods that can be dangerous to your car, be very cautious of that, be cautious of 'the cheap way'.....
Rather, seek reliable HP, even if it means spending more money or putting off buying a part till you get more money, keep your car running and having fun with it.
With a boosted application, whether it be blown or turboed, avoid a lean running condition, you just might save yourself a engine, also, there is much expertise on these boards, it should be somewhat easy to spot those whoms advice is of value.
You can make great and safe power with this car.
These cars must be tuned and tuned properly, I personally think HP Tuners is the ticket, and if I was doing your 'setup' it would include bigger injectors and HP Tuners and a nice, safe tune.
Not some run it ragg'd to hell lean bullshit, cmon... Even if you are able to outrun a GM Stage option whom in their right mind would want there car running in such a manner, a ticking time bomb so to speak...
Folks of this board, take it from someone whom has been in this game for quite sometime, you will have foolish people pop up with mods that can be dangerous to your car, be very cautious of that, be cautious of 'the cheap way'.....
Rather, seek reliable HP, even if it means spending more money or putting off buying a part till you get more money, keep your car running and having fun with it.
With a boosted application, whether it be blown or turboed, avoid a lean running condition, you just might save yourself a engine, also, there is much expertise on these boards, it should be somewhat easy to spot those whoms advice is of value.
You can make great and safe power with this car.
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Originally Posted by Darksun280
nice post seriously but that has nothing to do with what im asking. Having a cobalt running unsafe is not the question can a 3.0 pulley cobalt beat a gm stage 2 is. And You don't read good i see. I said they argue about which is best and what can beat what all the time on the srt forums. How is me saying a stage 0 srt-4 with bolt ons can beat a stage 2 srt-4 that differnt than me saying a stage 0 cobalt with a bolt on and free mods can beat a gm stage 2? Ask the srt-4 question on srt-forums and you'll get decent responses ask the cobalt question here and you get "F-up noob" and "Warrenty FTW!"
Because what you said and it has been quoted repeatedly is your theory is to run a 3 inch pully and run lean and ragg'd as hell, and you admitted it was unsafe. And I still ask why would anybody want a situation such as that?
Hell, if this is a case of outrunning a GM Staged car simply throw on a huge shot of Nitrous, run it ragg'd all to hell as you like to say, get the win regardless of how safe it is for the car. Its rather rediculous.
In the SRT forums I failed to see anybody running a situation were the car could blow up on that very run simply to outrun a Stage 2 SRT, the Stage 0 SRTs that were making the claim of being faster then Stage 2 were using parts that cost money and running safe tunes, not some ragg'd leaned out ticking time bomb.
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Originally Posted by LittleMT
Because what you said and it has been quated repeatedly is your theory is to run a 3 inch pully and run lean and ragg'd as hell, and you admitted it was unsafe. And I still ask why would anybody want a situation such as that?
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Originally Posted by Darksun280
Your almost with me see now. Yeah nobody might want to run that kinda setup cause its unsafe but THATS NOT THE QUESTION!!!!!! Im still trying to argue what can beat what not which is safest.
But really, other then you and your prescription for a bomb, who really cares about a unsafe running condition that will or wont outrun a GM Stage package?
Really, whom here will run out and do this to their cars? Post up folks if you agree with this
'theory' and will then inturn modify your car in such a manner?
If my only choice was your 'theory' or a GM package then the answer is easy, GM Stage package for me and then I would tinker with it to get more power, just as I did with my Stage 2 SRT that makes big power.
The GM Stage 2 package will run and run and run and give someone many miles, it is mind boggling to me that you will espouse a setup that will lead to a premature failure and then think for some reason you are the smart one around here...
All in a attempt to prove a point with a recipe that no one would in all likelyhood even consider doing to their cars.
Waste of energy and possible waste of a engine on a good car.
Originally Posted by Darksun280
Your telling me stuff that i've heard and already know. MY argument is that a 3.0 pulley cobalt can beat a gm stage 2 cobalt not which one is safest or taste better or keeps the interior the cleanest...........
Wait till your friend gets his installed. Go for a run, see who wins. Post the video and prove it one way or another. Until then, what is the point in arguing?
Personally, I think your wrong and you over-rate your car FAR too much. But we aren't going to get into personal opinions anymore.
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Originally Posted by LittleMT
But really, other then you and your prescription for a bomb, who really cares about a unsafe running condition that will or wont outrun a GM Stage package?
Really, whom here will run out and do this to their cars? Post up folks if you agree with this
'theory' and will then inturn modify your car in such a manner?
If my only choice was your 'theory' or a GM package then the answer is easy, GM Stage package for me and then I would tinker with it to get more power, just as I did with my Stage 2 SRT that makes big power.
The GM Stage 2 package will run and run and run and give someone many miles, it is mind boggling to me that you will espouse a setup that will lead to a premature failure and then think for some reason you are the smart one around here...
All in a attempt to prove a point with a recipe that no one would in all likelyhood even consider doing to their cars.
Waste of energy and possible waste of a engine on a good car.
Really, whom here will run out and do this to their cars? Post up folks if you agree with this
'theory' and will then inturn modify your car in such a manner?
If my only choice was your 'theory' or a GM package then the answer is easy, GM Stage package for me and then I would tinker with it to get more power, just as I did with my Stage 2 SRT that makes big power.
The GM Stage 2 package will run and run and run and give someone many miles, it is mind boggling to me that you will espouse a setup that will lead to a premature failure and then think for some reason you are the smart one around here...
All in a attempt to prove a point with a recipe that no one would in all likelyhood even consider doing to their cars.
Waste of energy and possible waste of a engine on a good car.
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From: LongIsland
Originally Posted by BooSSted
Have you PROVEN this or ar you going clearly on speculation and opinion?
Wait till your friend gets his installed. Go for a run, see who wins. Post the video and prove it one way or another. Until then, what is the point in arguing?
Personally, I think your wrong and you over-rate your car FAR too much. But we aren't going to get into personal opinions anymore.
Wait till your friend gets his installed. Go for a run, see who wins. Post the video and prove it one way or another. Until then, what is the point in arguing?
Personally, I think your wrong and you over-rate your car FAR too much. But we aren't going to get into personal opinions anymore.
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From: HepCat City
Originally Posted by 280Z1977
Ummmm, you are kind of new here. At first people could only use pully upgrades to make more power. As far as I know there are still a lot of people running a 3" pully with no tune. Darksun ran his (hard) for A LONG time, until other parts on his car blew up(not the engine). Darksun and a few others are/were the only ones out racing their Cobalts. So for you to say, "that nobody would consider doing that to their cars" is completely off base, because A LOT of people have and still do, "do that" to their cars.
Ok, I am new, but I am interpreting this in a certian manner', "Run Ragged lean to hell"
Now as you say at one time this may have been the only choice, still seems to me that if I was involved at that point in time I still would have had my car on a wideban to check AFR's and determine just how far I could push such a setup, that is something we do rather being new to a car or not, as I find it applies to every car performance wise that I have been involved in.
But now, at this point in time, nobody has to run their car in such a manner because of the GM Staged packages or HP Tuners, larger injectors, and more options for safe reliable horse power.
So again I say, why would anyone at this point in time with what is available to them, run the car in a "Ragged lean to hell" manner...
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From: LongIsland
Originally Posted by LittleMT
So again I say, why would anyone at this point in time with what is available to them, run the car in a "Ragged lean to hell" manner...
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Originally Posted by Darksun280
since you nver answer my questions i'll answer yours any one who has the old revit up kits with the 2.8 pulley for one cause theres no way in hell that the cobalt had any fuel left to play with after a 2.8 pulley on stock injects and any kinda exhaust or intake/intake mod.
Which isn't the situation today. I would think that prior to my purchasing this car, the Cobalt community was hurting for parts and Vendor support.
Now that support (though still young) is coming, and many past setups are now obsolete due to better parts/injectors/hp tuners/GM Staged kits ect...
It would seem to me and I know I don't speak for everyone, but those with some of the earlier setups that could be detrimental to the car are now being rectified by the owners.
And the basis of this whole agruement seems to imply a new person to the car, a stock car, given the choice of a GM staged kit or some 'ragged lean run to hell' method..
Knowing what we know now, are you honestly going to tell us to go with this ragged lean run to hell theory as opposed to the options currently available?
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Originally Posted by LittleMT
Which isn't the situation today. I would think that prior to my purchasing this car, the Cobalt community was hurting for parts and Vendor support.
Now that support (though still young) is coming, and many past setups are now obsolete due to better parts/injectors/hp tuners/GM Staged kits ect...
It would seem to me and I know I don't speak for everyone, but those with some of the earlier setups that could be detrimental to the car are now being rectified by the owners.
And the basis of this whole agruement seems to imply a new person to the car, a stock car, given the choice of a GM staged kit or some 'ragged lean run to hell' method..
Knowing what we know now, are you honestly going to tell us to go with this ragged lean run to hell theory as opposed to the options currently available?
Now that support (though still young) is coming, and many past setups are now obsolete due to better parts/injectors/hp tuners/GM Staged kits ect...
It would seem to me and I know I don't speak for everyone, but those with some of the earlier setups that could be detrimental to the car are now being rectified by the owners.
And the basis of this whole agruement seems to imply a new person to the car, a stock car, given the choice of a GM staged kit or some 'ragged lean run to hell' method..
Knowing what we know now, are you honestly going to tell us to go with this ragged lean run to hell theory as opposed to the options currently available?
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Originally Posted by Darksun280
Not to poke fun at you but your funny. I never said you had to run the set up I'm just saying that they set up will get the job done and 600 dollars cheaper too. Believe it or not people would run it to knowing the cost to the cars life. I know i did And others will/are not like im the only one. be glad i even checked my A/f's some people wouoldn't even go that far and just play ignorance
And we don't know that because as you admitted in a previous post, you have yet to prove this will indeed outrun a GM Stage 2 option.
It is one thing to run a safe tune, big boost, big fuel, testing the limits of the internals and having a possible failure, it is another thing to run a setup such as what you espouse that doesn't make good power to begin with, and then have a failure due to a ill conceived plan when a plethora of better options currently exist.
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I have a stage 3 kit on hand right now...but I am not going to install it just yet...for one i ordered it before they had the PCMs and 2 it didn't come with the pully tenser...another thing to consider...GMs stage 2 kit doesn't void the warranty...I don't know about you guys...but I really don't want to screw a brand new car up by going all out with like a stage 5 kit...for one its going to mean earlier maintance on the supercharger cuz its running way harder than it was ment to be...oh and to really use that much power will have to have a new clutch cuz using stock is just a waste...that is a lot of money...it adds up...from what I can tell a lot of people are just doing these mods with out considering what might happen...or they are not spending the extra money to make sure it doesn't mess up other engion parts...just be careful lol...I like going fast and watching someones face when a lil 2.0L car owns them is priceless......but having your brand new car blow up and not being covered under warranty isn't :-P.
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Originally Posted by LittleMT
And we don't know that because as you admitted in a previous post, you have yet to prove this will indeed outrun a GM Stage 2 option.
It is one thing to run a safe tune, big boost, big fuel, testing the limits of the internals and having a possible failure, it is another thing to run a setup such as what you espouse that doesn't make good power to begin with, and then have a failure due to a ill conceived plan when a plethora of better options currently exist.
It is one thing to run a safe tune, big boost, big fuel, testing the limits of the internals and having a possible failure, it is another thing to run a setup such as what you espouse that doesn't make good power to begin with, and then have a failure due to a ill conceived plan when a plethora of better options currently exist.
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Originally Posted by Darksun280
hmmmm.........50 dollars or 650 dollars thats reason enough. Trust me if its proven people would take the risk.
a few may, and they may live to regret such a decision. I guess I want to believe that with the better options and advancements with the LSJ engine the Cobalt community would make wiser decisions then to go with a condition that reaps danger for the health
of their car, because only spending $50 now and then having to spend big dollars for a pontential repair is rather counter productive.
I would like to hear from other posters here, whom are willing to take this risk....
Oh but wait, none of it is proven, and the possibilty remains that the Stage 2 option may just come out on top.
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Originally Posted by LittleMT
a few may, and they may live to regret such a decision. I guess I want to believe that with the better options and advancements with the LSJ engine the Cobalt community would make wiser decisions then to go with a condition that reaps danger for the health
of their car, because only spending $50 now and then having to spend big dollars for a pontential repair is rather counter productive.
I would like to hear from other posters here, whom are willing to take this risk....
Oh but wait, none of it is proven, and the possibilty remains that the Stage 2 option may just come out on top.
of their car, because only spending $50 now and then having to spend big dollars for a pontential repair is rather counter productive.
I would like to hear from other posters here, whom are willing to take this risk....
Oh but wait, none of it is proven, and the possibilty remains that the Stage 2 option may just come out on top.
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Well i for one plan to take my car directly to the dyno after the install, to double check A/F etc. So i should have numbers and know whether or not my car is running relativley safe. I will also have a scan gauge to watch for KR. The car is capable of running this much boost, alot of people already are with no problems.... here are the numbers i compared GM stage 2 240/245hp 220/225lb/tq (you have your warranty, still getting beat by modded SRT4's though) Intense stage 4 - around 260hp 260lb/tq. it was no question to me the torque is what i wanted, and thats what i got.
Everyone who thinks the kits arnt reliable id suggest you go talk to everyone running 2.5" pulley's with 60lb injectors.... so far i think the worst has been a blown head gasket, and i believe it was untuned...
Everyone who thinks the kits arnt reliable id suggest you go talk to everyone running 2.5" pulley's with 60lb injectors.... so far i think the worst has been a blown head gasket, and i believe it was untuned...
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I dont know if anyone noticed but the drag race posted on page 3 is a SS S/C versus a 2.4L SS. The red one doesnt have a S/C because thats a stock 2.4L time. No way a SS S/C will run 15.9's. I wont believe it. Ok ill believe it but only with proof.
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