at the performance diff just adding a K&N filter with stock box. It is noticeably more responsive, and has more pull. Really gave it a good workout today. Definitely a good way to go for those like me, that are concerned about throwing a cel...no problems.

Had my car for a little over a week, and really enjoying it.

 

K&n Filters Are Good I Own A 97 Civic With An K&n Filter, Borla Ehaust And It Runs Prety Good. But Im Wating To See What The Pontiac G4 Is Like, If I Dont Like It Then I'll Buy A Cobalt Ss

 

I love American sports cars. This is one of the first compact (use that term lightly) American sports cars that I have actually "really" liked. I recommend it. Finally...

 

the psychological benfits are great aren't they?

 

pontiacs are overprices and underpowered....the G6 coupe starts at 16k(just sedan) and the coupe starts at 20k for 160hp....nice looks...very heavy...like 3300lbs. NO manuals...ONLY manuals in the GTP

 

umm..wrong thread?

 

Thats why I posted bout the G4...k?

 

a G4? You never mentioned G4.... I think you mean G5? Thats the name for the US bound Pontiac Pursuit (G4 Mexico) a G6 is GMs Epsilon mid sized car.

 

AMEN!!! its all in your head man!

 

do you really feel that much of a difference with a drop in?

 

Yes. I mean, its not like night and day or anything. But the engine is more responsive to pushing the pedal. And it pulls harder, and just smoother accerleration. Superchargers need air. Robbing it with the lame thick paper filter.

 

Modern Performance gained 3whp 2wtq with just a filter on the LSJ-that's not psychological. Regardless if it's a small gain, it's still more air flow.

 

i bet you $5 that if you went to a dyno, dynoed it stock and then put your amazing drop in filter that you would see very very very little to no difference in ACTUAL horsepower, the power band or anything. its all in your head, keep in mind that just because its making more noise doesnt mean its making more power

 

dude if you know anything about dynos you would know that there repeatability factor is usually between one and two percent. in other words you could dyno a 200 horsepower car once and then turn around and do it again with absolutely no change of anything and it will most likely read 2-4 horsepower less or 2-4 horsepower more, so its very possible that there is absolutely no change in anything but noise

 

I never said the filter was the "end all, be all". I just said it helps overall performance. Hardly just "in the head" of the millions of people that use these filters for more performance. Do you actually think that the company would still be in business, and doing as well as they do, if there was no benefit from these filters? They would be the laughing stock of the performance community. No offense, but you aren't making much sense. More air flow is more air flow...period.

 

here is the shocker... K&N is nearly the laughing stock of the REAL racing community, tell me one vehicle running in a major series runnin a K&N intake system. some might do it just for the sponsorship, but hardly any true performance orientated race team is using them.

 

Whatever man. Believe what ya like. Just wanted to let people know that there is some benefit from it...as little as it may be. Didn't mean to stir up the "K&N Haters" group. Enjoy your car, bacon.

 

Whats the big deal? He just put a filter in his car...

Greg

 

not a hater, but there already enough false assumptions on these sites, we dont need one more

 

you're straight-up wrong man. Coming from someone whose only mod is a muffler.

Get a K&N filter...can't hurt, and will only set ya back $40. A less restrictive element allows for more available air to be immediately pulled in as the engine needs it. Nice try man, but you simply can't argue with proven facts.

 

what does my muffler have to do with it, i dont think it added ****. i just wanted to be louder.

where does it say that the K&N is more airflow, and more horsepower than the stock element?

 

+1. Regardless of you hating the K&N's or not, it still flows more air. Why do you think there is an increase in noise? MORE AIR! I don't care if there's no solid, real, consistant, dyno proof. More airflow is a good thing, and will result in better throttle response. Like he said, he didn't come in here and say "a drop in K&N is better than any CAI" or somthing similar. He just said that he was pleasantly surprised about the different feel. Plus, even if you don't like it, you should still run it so that you dont' have to keep replacing the stock paper filters. Install it and be done. Everyone has their own opinion.

 

so much to learn noobs

 

Someone should pull up one of those flow charts comparing the paper vs. the oiled KN style filters. There is a difference. I've been using them for years myself...

Greg

 

could be, but keep in mind not all applications are the same