im arguing with a friend of mine , hes being a idiot

my brother has a 05 ss s/c and we want to put a stage 2 on the car
and this guy keeps telling us its not covered under the warante and it will void it
he just doesn't understand, that its from gm and designed to work with the car...
can some please explain as many people as posible that the ******* stage kits from gm are covered under the warrante.. thanks

 

is "this guy" a GM tech at a dealership?? If he is hes an idiot and should be working for a honda dealer...If he did infact get the stage 2 from the dealer and INSTALLED from the dealer then it is warranteed 100%

 

There are two companies currantly offering stage kits for that cobalt; GM (Does NOT void warranty) and Intence Racing (Does void warranty)

 

Tell the kid he's a dumb ass and i'll smack him in the face

 

^^x2

 

Im with Sh1ft on this one

 

PROBLEM: Confused, rude, ignorant, or just plain stupid GM Rep.

CAUSE: There are various reasons but the most common is an unhappy home life, paycheck, work environment, or some combination of the previously mentioned.

SOLUTION: Walk in to the dealer and up to the counter where the rep resides. Say and do the following. "This is for your own good." Then poke the person in the eye.

If the rep still insists that a GM Stage kit installed by the dealer voids the warranty, repeat the solution until he agrees with you.

 

I know this has been covered a million times and it seems like there is still debate. One dealer I called when I was looking for it said "We aren't even touching those" I said "well what if I buy it can you install it for me?" They said "Nope" So I know that for the most part they are covered, but I would say that it can be up to the dealers discretion if they want to work on it after that or not. Like this one dealer said they will not install it, service it or anything. Not a big deal I live in Boston area and there are 100s of other dealers, but might be an issue for smaller town people. And you can say "well this.... and that.... bla bla bla" but that isnt going to do much when a dealer like this isnt going to do anything for you. So just another thing to keep in mind before you get one. Might call your local dealer / dealers and make sure that they will install it, cover it etc. Its just phone tag. Keep asking to speak to someone else. Talk to service, parts, sales, managers etc.

 

I live in Southern, NH and bought my Redline at Saturn of Manchester which is owned by a dealer who owns several other dealerships. I am contacting them tomorrow to see if they will do the install as I just purchased a stage 2 online. No clue when I will receive it, but I guess I better start finding out who at GM will do the install in my area. I bought the GM stage 2 so as long as GM installs it my warranty should not be affected from what I have read here today. We'll see. Let me know if you find a GM dealer in the area that will install and I will do the same. Thanks

 

When calling about getting the GM kits installed ask to speak with a service manager. Do not talk with a parts manager or service rep and dont even mention anything to them.

 

GOT IT thanks for the info

 

OK.... I talked to the Service Manager at the dealer where I bought my REDLINE today and although he seemed to know nothing about the GM kits, his Tech did as he owns a Redline and said they would definately be interested in the install at $78 per hr and when I get the kit to bring it in so they could read the literature, but it sounds like something they can handle. This is not far from Boston if you haven't located a dealer there. Eric Johnson is who I talked to and he was very cool and nice. phone # 603-222-3100 main line for Saturn of Manchester and because they are GM I am sure being a Cobalt with the same motor etc. would not be an issue. I know I am not the only Redline owner on this site and so far I have not had anybody gimme crap about being here and I appreciate that. I was led here by another site as someone posted the link here. I am really liking the info and opinions.

 

the guy is a *******

 

Reading your list of mods I guess you have only done the stage 2. That and a limited slip diff is all I plan on doing. I have read great things about the stage 2 on here. I am asking you what YOU think of it. Worth the money? Power really noticable?? I have read many profiles stating 60 lb injectors. What stage is this?? does it require another reflash??? This stuff is all new to me. I am not a motorhead, but love SPEED and handling in a car.

 

This is kinda off topic but kinda not. I am getting the GMPP exhaust manifold. and a few of the dealers around me have either said they refuse to intall becasue of emissions calbrations or that they would install in but it would void the warrenty of attached parts if found to be at fault. So now i am a little upset so i called GM ( acutally it was Chevy Customer Service Line).

They told ANY at all mods to orginal facotry equipment including GM parts (including stage upgrades ) or NOT GM would fall under the The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

 

This is a post from the MODERATOR of this site. I would tend to think he knows what he is talking about and NO it WILL NOT void your warranty.




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Stage Kit FAQ: Submitted by c7015


- Part Numbers are
- Stage 1 – 17801947
- Stage 2 – 17803229
- Stage 1-2 – 17803230

-The kit will not void your warranty if installed by your dealer

Kit consists of
-Stage one – Reflash and Injectors
-Stage two – 3” Pulley smaller belt & everything in Stage 1



-Both kits contain the same ECM Re-flash

- No Badging is included in the kit
- Instructions are provided




- You may have the install done from an outside shop and flashed with the author code by GM (warranty may not apply if installed by an outside shop – if part failure is found to be a direct result of how the parts were installed)

-Stage 2 Kit has been Proven to get rid of lean CEL

-Cost varies dealer to dealer however install time should be roughly 1.5 hours


-Stage Redline is adjusted to 7000 RPM


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Last edited by MarcS : 04-07-2006 at 10:58 AM.

 

yeah I only have stage 2 atm but not for long. summer is a good time to save money in phoenix cus it is too hot to do **** so I will have more soon. I love the stage2 kit and feel it is by far the best bang for the buck mod since it retains your warrenty. The drive is just different with a stage 2 and the car just screams power. I am not sure where 60lb injectors came from but it might be from one of the intense stage kits.

 

Very cool. Thanks for verifying what I thought was true. I have read it over and over, but most have other mods as well and I was wanting to know with just stage 2. That is great and I guess I am on the list with who knows how many thousand others awaiting a new batch of these to be produced. Couple more questions.... When did you get yours (month/year) and total cost (parts/labor) and any problems with dealer/dealers not wanting to tackle the job in your area.

 

I have only had mine for a few weeks and I bought it back in april so it was about a 1 month turn. my total cost was about ~900 total parts and labor keep in mind this was all purchased retail. The dealer tried to question a few warrenty issues and even said that if I installed the parts that warrenty wouldn't apply but after I told them that my warrenty was with GM and not the dealer even the service manager didn't push the issue. They were cool with the install and they really wanted to get one of the kits installed so that they could get thier feet wet cus their after market department hadn't done one of the installs so they gave me a flat rate on the price.

I would recommend that you have them call the number on the paper for the VCI number during the install. The reason for this is because they may stay on hold for 30 minutes to over an hour which is why my install was an hour and 45 but the reflash took 45 minutes itself cus of the call they waited to do until they were done. The VCI number is needed to confirm the download of the software they need to upgrade the PCM. Don't leave the lot if the flash isn't done or you will be running way too rich. They may want to take the car for a test to insure proper working order so just let em and this will only serve to insure working order.

When you end up getting it installed go to a CLEAR area where you can get up to speed a few times in 3rd. The reason is because just after installing the new kit it appears that the car needs a few lessons getting used to the new mods. The car will idle really high just after installing the parts so don't be worried about it and just take it easy. Once you run the car a few times the idle will sit just at about ~800 which is where it should be and you will be ready to go.

 

GREAT INFO and once again... THANKS being a new member on this site and actually just finding out about the stage kits I have learned a lot from reading and going back to old posts even a year old almost. I understand the frustration and have read some of the senior members say "that has been covered 100 times on here" but what they fail to understand or perhaps care about is the excitement when a new member finds out what his/her motor is capable of for less than $1000. You want to know everything NOW and going through a year of threads backwards is not the quickest way. Asking questions is. I have done both research and ask enough that I feel very comfortable dropping almost a grand in my engine now.

 

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...

intense doesnt void your warrenty. BY LAW if u really want to get technical and fine print, Yes they both would void warrenty. By law a manufacturor defines warrenty on a vehicle up until the first varifiable removal or addition to any part of the vehicle.

However, i still have warrenty, its all in the relationship you establish with your dealer.

As for the GM kit, be careful, the warrenty they state in the kit is FOR THE KIT itsself, and does not reflect on your factory warrenty. Warrenty is always a dealer to dealer issue, and regardless of the part being GM or not, they can still void the warrenty for any reason they feel justified. Of course at that point there are loop holes, and customer issue helplines open to help resolve issues quickly.

BUT, people need to stop assuming that everything voids a warrrenty, in reality it does, but unless ur the biggest cockiest dickface on the planet, your dealer will work with u to resolve the issue. They make the same amount off warrenty as non warrenty.

 

Please provide us with this law or clause which states this or states that the GM kit will in fact void the warrenty. I will need this to find out more about the law which specifically identifies this.