seeings how the stock intake mani has been bench flowed and it is only allowing 12-14psi worth of air to be jammed thru...a 2.7 around here boost 19-20 psi...so that extra air is being recirculated and causing unneeded heat..all n all a new mani would do so much for us

 

??

Boost is measured after the I/C, so how do you figure?

 

thats what omega5 found in his testing...dude if u dont want a intake mani cool..no need to keep saying theres no reason to do it..some of us have seen the difference other routes have gained and the thing they all have in common is the intake manifold being gone

 

Its not that I don't want one, I just like to understand why it is holding the car back. I can see if the Laminovas are the small point, but if its not that, what is it?

 

are u stock? its so restrictive..anyone pushing any kind of air is having a problem with heat soak...and someone like me with a tvs just porting it isnt going to help..

 

the laminovas are very restrictive, but the intake where the sc mounts is restrictive as hell too. you are correct it's compact and it works well for the stock setup, but i strongly believe it is holding back progress.

 

not only that but its god owful for direct flow...there air has to go down then back up to make it to the head..

 

C'mon man, I'm not stock at all...

Heatsoak and restriction are two different things though. Which is the problem, heatsoak? needs better intercooling system. Restriction? needs better manifold.

Turbo solves the heatsoak problem, creates much less heat and better I/C, and then the manifold needs to be changed to see full gains. I'm just wondering what people have done for testing and what results they got. I'm trying to learn here, not fight with you or anyone else.

 

the restriction is causing boosted air to not pass thru which is causing heat issues...theres no way to fix this unless u spray meth into the manifold directly...

 

Ever seen the manifolds on a 5.0?

Air under pressure doesn't care which way it goes, and the distance is really quite short considering the fact that its getting cooled as well.

Based on what?

Again, not trying to argue here, just learn why.

Will you agree that part of the problem is pushing the M62 out of its efficency range with a small pulley?

 

im not understanding why ur fighting it so hard? there is PROOF from more people then me..im just sick of dealing with it and want a vendor to step in and do something....

 

Link to proof please??

I'm NOT fighting it, I want to learn what people have found through research. I do not have the resources or time to do all the research myself, but if I can see the results of whats out there, I may be able to contribute something useful.

 

based on the turbo cars that go from supercharger delete to an actual intake manifold...

and no spinning it out of it efficency range isnt the problem when it comes to a restriction in the manifold...thats a different issue when it comes to seals and bearings and oil...not how much air its pushing and the heat issue...with meth and dual pass and h/e if we can eliminate the problem with the intake mani iat2s will drop drasticly low

look at pauls dyno after the hahn swap...the procharged thread...omega5's intake manifold thread...

 

But, he said that the Laminovas were restrictive, you are talking about a car that already had them removed (Paul's), and was running a FMIC.

So, overspinning the blower, creating more BOOST, not RPMS, doesn't aggrevate the heat issue? Wouldn't cams on a worked head, yeilding about 15 psi on a 2.7, also REDUCE the heatsoak?


I'm still waiting on CFM numbers from the Omega manifold work, out of curiousity

 

yea the m62 is pushed out of its efficiency range with a 2.7 but that doesnt mean it cant do it. like angelo said before, the air recirculates through the mani back into the supercharger causing all that heat. im running a 2.7 and if i had a bigger mani i would see the full effects of a 2.7. just every mod you need a supporting mod.

 

Anyone have a stock manifold they wanna sell. I need it for R&D and I've been having trouble locating one for a reasonable price.

 

even with a new mani the M62 is weak...

 

no ****. way to point out the obvious. Angelo is trying to find a cheaper alternative to help our m62s be way more effective/efficient. the s/c is limited by its supporting mods.

 

The SC is limited by is design.. Not the supporting mods genius...Roots are pathetic compared to Lysholm-type superchargers.

 

i just agreed with you dude. why are pressing that it sucks??? whatever. and the supporting mods help like i said. your basically saying that a bigger mani will do jack ****.

 

thats why the zr1 has a lysholm type supercharger correct?

...fail

 

i think he said lysholm superchargers are really good

 

he said roots are pathetic..

 

um that a Twin Vortices Series roots... Which is as close as a Lysholm series GM will run since the only real advantage is the longer durability...

weak and unchangeable facts of the M62...



TVS that Vette uses..



Get all the supporting mods you want... The M62 lacks alot of potential...

 

u said roots....both of those are roots type blowers....