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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:07 PM
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Just thought it's time to update whats going on with my project.
Drive shafts past 400hp are being a hassle. It is quite possible I will have to have different axels, drilled hubs and give up the ABS brakes.
Camshafts are done and Mev at JBP says they look beautiful. The grind is very aggressive and the expectation is 26whp. Yes you read that right. The actual grind numbers won't be released yet as JBP prefers not giving these numbers to the competition.
The head is still waiting on the ferrea valves and springs as Ferrea makes these as they are ordered, perhaps the reason they are costly.
We are having custom Bates cylinder sleeves made as while the stock ones are great they won't go past 500hp.
My Quaife was installed in the transaxle last week.I bought one of the Import Trenz body kit\hood sets and they agreed to sponsor me, so when the car gets into a car magazine I get reimbursed.
The twincharged system is almost designed and the company designing the system is 99% sure they are going with Turbotronics T3T4 Hybrid Turbo. There will also be a completely customized turbo header designed for this kit as well something so cool that everyone is going to want just for their cars (sorry I can't say yet) The expectation is that my engine will be able to easily handle 30lbs of boost. This tubo allows for a broad range of boost. We will also have the ability to turn the boost up\down from inside both the car and under the hood.
I have my HPTuners kit sitting waiting to tune the car and I have the same deal with them as I do Import Trenz.
The completion date for the engine is still expected to be Aug.15th. and I will post more updates as they are available.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:14 PM
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? for ya...
How much do the stock sleeves hold?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:17 PM
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? for ya...
How much do the stock sleeves hold?
About 500hp.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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That is awesome to Hear! I know it might be hard to say now but what do you estimate your 1/4 times will be? Another question has JBP told anything else about the cams, like estimated price?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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That is awesome to Hear! I know it might be hard to say now but what do you estimate your 1/4 times will be? Another question has JBP told anything else about the cams, like estimated price?
The prices of their cams are on their website.
As for the 1/4 times there are cautious expectations of getting under 11 seconds. I am already planning on a cage.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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Awesome. I went to there website to check up on there cams, but there website is down i guess. So i thought of asking here. Nother question, do you think the twincharger is going to be something that could be put in a daily driver, and still be reliable?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by victory_red_SS
Just thought it's time to update whats going on with my project.
Drive shafts past 400hp are being a hassle. It is quite possible I will have to have different axels, drilled hubs and give up the ABS brakes.
Camshafts are done and Mev at JBP says they look beautiful. The grind is very aggressive and the expectation is 26whp. Yes you read that right. The actual grind numbers won't be released yet as JBP prefers not giving these numbers to the competition.
The head is still waiting on the ferrea valves and springs as Ferrea makes these as they are ordered, perhaps the reason they are costly.
We are having custom Bates cylinder sleeves made as while the stock ones are great they won't go past 500hp.
My Quaife was installed in the transaxle last week.I bought one of the Import Trenz body kit\hood sets and they agreed to sponsor me, so when the car gets into a car magazine I get reimbursed.
The twincharged system is almost designed and the company designing the system is 99% sure they are going with Turbotronics T3T4 Hybrid Turbo. There will also be a completely customized turbo header designed for this kit as well something so cool that everyone is going to want just for their cars (sorry I can't say yet) The expectation is that my engine will be able to easily handle 30lbs of boost. This tubo allows for a broad range of boost. We will also have the ability to turn the boost up\down from inside both the car and under the hood.
I have my HPTuners kit sitting waiting to tune the car and I have the same deal with them as I do Import Trenz.
The completion date for the engine is still expected to be Aug.15th. and I will post more updates as they are available.
Tell me more about the Twincharger kit. Does it have an intercooler to cool the intake temp for the blower? Just curious, cause I can imagine your car is going to run significantly hotter since you now have "hot" intake temps and even hotter exhaust temps to furthermore increase the already "hot" turbo which then would increase alittle more on the intake, increasing the exhaust again...and again...until your car is running about 75-100 degrees too hot. I'm not bashing at all...I honestly want to learn of how this setup is going to be reliable. Maybe intercooled and water-injected then aftercooled...I could see that holding the temps down a bit. Anyways, good luck.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:40 PM
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Man i got happy just reading that, i could imagine the state of mind your in! Seems everything is rolling nicely and i hope it continues on like that. Best of luck to ya man! cant wait to see the beast!
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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Great! I'm excited to see the results when it's done-dyno and track! Probably not as much as excited as you are to get it! Thanks for the update, and please continue giving us updates.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by adam0416
Tell me more about the Twincharger kit. Does it have an intercooler to cool the intake temp for the blower? Just curious, cause I can imagine your car is going to run significantly hotter since you now have "hot" intake temps and even hotter exhaust temps to furthermore increase the already "hot" turbo which then would increase alittle more on the intake, increasing the exhaust again...and again...until your car is running about 75-100 degrees too hot. I'm not bashing at all...I honestly want to learn of how this setup is going to be reliable. Maybe intercooled and water-injected then aftercooled...I could see that holding the temps down a bit. Anyways, good luck.
The cool part that I mentioned, the one everyone will want, that totally addresses the issue of heat. Until the setup is done though the company doing the design has asked that I not share this info, but you will really love it when it is shared.
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Man i got happy just reading that, i could imagine the state of mind your in! Seems everything is rolling nicely and i hope it continues on like that. Best of luck to ya man! cant wait to see the beast!
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Great! I'm excited to see the results when it's done-dyno and track! Probably not as much as excited as you are to get it! Thanks for the update, and please continue giving us updates.
I am so thrilled and I can't even begin to describe my joy. I try to imagine the ride when it's all done and I smile even more.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by victory_red_SS
. I try to imagine the ride when it's all done
Hmmm what will I say??




Originally Posted by victory_red_SS
The completion date for the engine is still expected to be Aug.15th. and I will post more updates as they are available.
Hmmm what will I say??

Now that I got that out of my system, it sounds like it will be a sweet setup once it is done.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 07:47 PM
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If I remember correctly, I think the price of the cams is $629 USD. Can't wait to hear about the final results. Keep us updated and best of luck the rest of the way.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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good to here everything is going as planed Rod,

are you going to do anything else to beef up the trans, other then the LSD?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 07:52 PM
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u shoulda went twin screw...would have been more beneficial
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 10:07 PM
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Hmmm what will I say??
Hmmm what will I say??Now that I got that out of my system, it sounds like it will be a sweet setup once it is done.
You could say the Mustang is on the road so I can feel what my car will go like. Other than saying that, you have said all that I expected you would.

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good to here everything is going as planed Rod, are you going to do anything else to beef up the trans, other then the LSD?
Right now there are really no options other that going with a full on automatic racing transmission. Apparantly I get to see what the limits of the F35\LSD transmission are.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 10:09 PM
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u shoulda went twin screw...would have been more beneficial
Please explain, from your vast experiences, how it would be more beneficial, or you simply repeating something that we have all read on this topic?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 10:14 PM
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twin screw=much higher efficiency and high boost. sure its great but its not needed.

loving the set-up man. whats the duration and lift of the cams? does the head need to be ground for clearence issues? what compression are you going to run? i see the high compression pistons but will you be alright with them, especially in your situation.

why not choose a 9:1 or 8.5:1 or so?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 10:26 PM
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twin screw=much higher efficiency and high boost. sure its great but its not needed.

loving the set-up man. whats the duration and lift of the cams? does the head need to be ground for clearence issues? what compression are you going to run? i see the high compression pistons but will you be alright with them, especially in your situation.

why not choose a 9:1 or 8.5:1 or so?
We are doing the full on racing head that JBP offers. They have spent considerable time measuring and calculating the clearances and flow for the head. JBP is also putting ceramic coating on the cumbustion chamber\valve heads to prevent heat soak. As for the compression ratio we are building this with superior clamping capability to with stand the pressure. Again, my engine will actually be able to hold closer to 700hp and run easily on 30lbs of boost. I hear about twin screw\whipple but I have not heard these levels+ of boost. For the twincharged nay sayers time will tell soon enough how well this works. For the twincharge supportes this puts you one step closer to a bolt on setup.
As for cam profiles JBP won't even tell me. They want the chance to show these off and build interest in them way before their competitors try to duplicate them. I have no problem with this as long as they work and the engine stays together. This last point is really important.
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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remember it is a race engine and will need rebuilds. don't take it as a bulletproof block, theres always something that will happen.

best of luck to you man.
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Originally Posted by victory_red_SS
We are doing the full on racing head that JBP offers. They have spent considerable time measuring and calculating the clearances and flow for the head. JBP is also putting ceramic coating on the cumbustion chamber\valve heads to prevent heat soak. As for the compression ratio we are building this with superior clamping capability to with stand the pressure. Again, my engine will actually be able to hold closer to 700hp and run easily on 30lbs of boost. I hear about twin screw\whipple but I have not heard these levels+ of boost. For the twincharged nay sayers time will tell soon enough how well this works. For the twincharge supportes this puts you one step closer to a bolt on setup.
As for cam profiles JBP won't even tell me. They want the chance to show these off and build interest in them way before their competitors try to duplicate them. I have no problem with this as long as they work and the engine stays together. This last point is really important.
I am anxious to see this twincharge setup work, however, most Whipple's can support 30+ psi.Look at this chart below, it is hard to read, but this is the specs on each of their blowers.A whipple 100ax can support 32 PSI, and create way less heat than our roots blowers. Again, I'm not trying to change your mind, but you did mention that you haven't heard these kind of levels, so I thought I would show you. I can't wait to see your results with your setup and the twincharge setup.


SUPERCHARGER SIZES

Description
Liters
Max RPM
Max CFM
Max PSI
Peak VE
Peak AE

W75AX
1.2
20,000
831
35
98
81

W100AX
1.6
18,000
997
32
98
80

W140AX
2.3
16,000
1274
30
98
80

W140R
2.3
16,000
1222
30
96
78

W200AX
3.3
14,000
1567
25
97
77

W200R
3.3
14,000
1518
25
95
76

W305AX
5.0
16,000
2770
30
96
76

W305R
5.0
16,000
2601
30
94
75
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by victory_red_SS
You could say the Mustang is on the road so I can feel what my car will go like.
You having 2 cars built??
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 11:11 PM
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I am anxious to see this twincharge setup work, however, most Whipple's can support 30+ psi.Look at this chart below, it is hard to read, but this is the specs on each of their blowers.A whipple 100ax can support 32 PSI, and create way less heat than our roots blowers. Again, I'm not trying to change your mind, but you did mention that you haven't heard these kind of levels, so I thought I would show you. I can't wait to see your results with your setup and the twincharge setup.
Thanks for the info.and it is definitely too late to change my mind now.

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You having 2 cars built??
What do you mean
Of course at the rate I am going I will lose on the sreet but if you keep your car just the way it is I would win at the track
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 11:27 PM
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git yer car out of thier garage so mine can go in I am really looking forward to you being complete so I can get an actual real world range of where my numbers might end up. I am still not sure if I want the twincharge since it would mean a new hood and I want my ride to be a serious sleeper. If I go with the new hood, I plan to change out the eaton and put in a whipple, probably the 140AX if it will fit, and once I get someone who can machine me a mount for it.

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git yer car out of thier garage so mine can go in I am really looking forward to you being complete so I can get an actual real world range of where my numbers might end up. I am still not sure if I want the twincharge since it would mean a new hood and I want my ride to be a serious sleeper. If I go with the new hood, I plan to change out the eaton and put in a whipple, probably the 140AX if it will fit, and once I get someone who can machine me a mount for it.

- Solo
To this point I have not been told that I need to change the hood except for adding heat extractors closer to the windshield. The actual kit will be fitted in another Cobalt because I am so far away. At that time I will find out about clearance issues but it has not been suggested to worry about modding the hood.
As for getting my car car out I would really love that but look at the upside. What they are learning\designing with my engine benifits you greatly. So where's my royalty???
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The Whipple W75AX would support 35 psi w/ a 2.19" pulley. It would also fit under the hood with no problems.

Unfortunately this my latest response from Whipple about the W75AX.

Originally Posted by chris@whipplesuperchargers.com
There is no set date for this compressor to be released not even sure if we will release it. But if we do there will be information posted on the website.
A couple months ago they said end of this year.
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