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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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Projections on TS max boost

What does everyone think the max boost on the TS gonna be, I'm hoping that it will at least push 25psi. If this is possibible would it be smart to drop down to 9:1 instead of keeping the stock 9.5:1 when rebuiling the engine or leave it at 9.5:1? Thanks
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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I've been away in the hospital w/ a shattered elbow, what the hell is "TS"?
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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I'm guessing "Twin Screw"
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 07:33 PM
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Twin Screw. Rebel Auto Worx has a Twinscrew Supercharger setup for us LSJ guys and a M62 kit for the 2.4s.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HickOverLOrd
Twin Screw. Rebel Auto Worx has a Twinscrew Supercharger setup for us LSJ guys and a M62 kit for the 2.4s.
haha yah i know, that why im asking, i plan on building my engine before i do the twinscrew swap, that why i wanted to know how much boost you can push, that way id know what CR pistons to get. If you cant push more than 20psi without blowing up the supercharger it isnt worth going to 9:1 CR pistons cause 9.5:1's will be fine.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CobaltSS313
haha yah i know, that why im asking, i plan on building my engine before i do the twinscrew swap, that why i wanted to know how much boost you can push, that way id know what CR pistons to get. If you cant push more than 20psi without blowing up the supercharger it isnt worth going to 9:1 CR pistons cause 9.5:1's will be fine.
lol. Im not to sure of the answer of your question (not not quite to that level yet, lol) But I was just telling WickedSS or whatever whats up, lol.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 08:00 PM
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Since there isn't a reasonable solution for a blower swap or turbo swap at this point, I would rather run 20 PSI on a turbo and than 25 PSI on a twinscrew and probably make similar power.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 08:04 PM
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the guy from rebel says the smallest pulley size is 2.6 for that one. it comes with a 2.9 on it already. idk what the max is, but its not much more than 20.

probably less than 25psi, IMO

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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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As for the twin screw making 25psi It will. But will be pushing the blower hard.
I would recommend going with 9:1 pistons allowing you to run more a little bit more boost and some more timing for a daily driver.Although the 9:5:1 will do a great job aswell.
Half a point in compression isn't going to make or break things on lower power levels.
All comes down to price.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 10:49 PM
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See this is why we need forged internal screws and bigger bearings that can handle more load, the blower needs to be capapable of spinning 18-19k rpms.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 11:09 PM
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in the end it doesn't matter what psi you are running, it depends on CFM of the turbo and the TS..you can blow the motor up easily with 15 psi on a turbo, if it flows alot of air.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryze
in the end it doesn't matter what psi you are running, it depends on CFM of the turbo and the TS..you can blow the motor up easily with 15 psi on a turbo, if it flows alot of air.

yah i kno, that faster you get the air in and out the more power you make. you can make more power on 15 psi that flows more air than a car that runs 20 psi on stock system cause it doesnt flow. Im talking fully ported head completely built engine and THEN putting the TS on and running 25 psi after porting everything.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 12:05 AM
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Rebelworxs turbo kit does 330whp and 300wtq with 18 psi. If you hit 25 psi, you're probably do more than 400HP.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 04:57 PM
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yah but im looking to keep the supercharger, i want something different.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryze
in the end it doesn't matter what psi you are running, it depends on CFM of the turbo and the TS..you can blow the motor up easily with 15 psi on a turbo, if it flows alot of air.
i agree. but you have to read the question. how much psi will the lysholm1200ax t/s max out at.

granted thats alot more cfm than the eaton could ever produce... but you didnt really answer this kids question.

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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 05:03 PM
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Wow this thread has some False info. Rebel Auto Worx doesn't have the Turbo kit. You are thinking of TAG Racecraft.

Running 25+ psi with that 1200AX will equal with the same problems we have with M62 guys running 2.5 pulleys. You will overspin that ******, and you will be in worse shape. The clearance on a twinscrew is a lot less than our Eatons. The blower won't last very long. You will just overspin and nuke the damn thing.

Face it, you will be lucky to safely get 350whp from the 1200AX.

And saying since a Turbo makes 330whp @ 18psi means the 1200AX will make 400whp+ @ 25psi is just wrong, stupid, and +/- retarded.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WSFrazier
Wow this thread has some False info. Rebel Auto Worx doesn't have the Turbo kit. You are thinking of TAG Racecraft.

Running 25+ psi with that twinscrew will equal with the same problems we have with M62 guys running 2.5 pulleys. You will overspin that ******, and you will be in worse shape. The clearance on a twinscrew is a lot less than our Eatons. The blower won't last very long. You will just overspin and nuke the damn thing.

Face it, you will be lucky to safely get 350whp from the 1200AX.

And saying since a Turbo makes 330whp @ 18psi means the 1200AX will make 400whp+ @ 25psi is just wrong, stupid, and retarded.
i think he was talking about 25psi through the turbo Wes. But yah the internal screws and bearings of the twinscrew cant spin that fast, well they can but will wear out in no time, thats why whipple and KB make their's forged instead of cast.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CobaltSS313
yah but im looking to keep the supercharger, i want something different.
he was talking about the hahn turbo
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 05:07 PM
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Yeah, if you can get a different Twinscrew then that is diffierent. I am just speaking about the 1200AX in the Auto Worx kit.

If you want 350whp+ reliably, it will either be Turbo or Procharger.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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Yeah, if you can get a different Twinscrew then that is diffierent. I am just speaking about the 1200AX in the Auto Worx kit.

If you want 350whp+ reliably, it will either be Turbo or Procharger.
I'll take that 350whp bet, and do it with the twinscrew on stock internals! If I don't, then you can call me whatever you want. How about that? Until then, why the hell does everyone keep putting this kit down before it's even finished being tested/tuned by the guys that are receiving the kit? Anyone realize why there are a select few people getting the kit so early? Ding Ding (lightbulb comes on), maybe some of the people who have been in on this kit for awhile (like myself since the conception of the idea) will be doing the some fine tuning and testing on their own rides to proove how well it can do. My car just so happens to be pretty much maxed out except for cams, a P & P head w/valvetrain, and forged pistons.

Now on the other hand the twinscrew at 25psi will not be the same as an adequately sized turbo at 25psi. Like say the GT2871R at 22psi making 403whp.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WSFrazier
Wow this thread has some False info. Rebel Auto Worx doesn't have the Turbo kit. You are thinking of TAG Racecraft.

Running 25+ psi with that 1200AX will equal with the same problems we have with M62 guys running 2.5 pulleys. You will overspin that ******, and you will be in worse shape. The clearance on a twinscrew is a lot less than our Eatons. The blower won't last very long. You will just overspin and nuke the damn thing.

Face it, you will be lucky to safely get 350whp from the 1200AX.

And saying since a Turbo makes 330whp @ 18psi means the 1200AX will make 400whp+ @ 25psi is just wrong, stupid, and +/- retarded.
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you deserve rep for that one
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:26 PM
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you deserve rep for that one
Thanks!
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WSFrazier
Wow this thread has some False info. Rebel Auto Worx doesn't have the Turbo kit. You are thinking of TAG Racecraft.

Running 25+ psi with that 1200AX will equal with the same problems we have with M62 guys running 2.5 pulleys. You will overspin that ******, and you will be in worse shape. The clearance on a twinscrew is a lot less than our Eatons. The blower won't last very long. You will just overspin and nuke the damn thing.

Face it, you will be lucky to safely get 350whp from the 1200AX.

And saying since a Turbo makes 330whp @ 18psi means the 1200AX will make 400whp+ @ 25psi is just wrong, stupid, and +/- retarded.


Re: Enquiry from Rebel Auto Worxs
"sales@rebelautoworxs.com"
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Jul 25
We actually have a turbo kit for the 2.0 LSJ it's been running for
quite some time now.
Price is $3999.99 for the kit.
Let me know if you have any questions.


The Kit has been Proven and has made 330whp and 300wtq and it has been on
the road now for 6 months.
The guy who has it loves it. At only 18psi it's a real killer on the streets.
For Orders the site is currently being worked on.
We are setup through paypal 3999.99 plus $99.00 shipping.
sales@rebelautoworxs.com is the paypal address
Lead time is 2-3weeks.


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Jul 27 (5 days ago)
Ok should have given you a parts list.

Included in the kit:
gt2871rs precision turbo capable of 440fwhp
tial 50mm blow off valve.
stainless steel tubular manifold.
all intake piping
downpipe without cat to stock location.Add 150.00 for Cat
air filter assembly
throttle body assembly.
Assorted hardware to connect it all together.
pretty much everything you need.

additional items
Tune file is $250
Manual Boost controller $100.00

The setup works and we have a tuning that is pretty good to go with it.

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Yes you will need a set of 60lb injectors and a new harness for your setup
if you don't have them already.


Jose
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 10:39 PM
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My mistake on the Turbo kit. I assumed TAG still did that themselves since I haven't seen Rebel Auto speak up about the Turbo kit.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 10:42 PM
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My mistake on the Turbo kit. I assumed TAG still did that themselves since I haven't seen Rebel Auto speak up about the Turbo kit.
It's ok bro, we won't hate. We all make mistakes, including myself!
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