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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 04:09 PM
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Random Misfire

I keep getting a random misfire, my current plug gap is at 0.32, should I increase it or decrease it to help prevent the random misfire?
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 04:14 PM
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you might have a vacuum leak somewhere. That's the correct gap, so my guess would be to check for leaks. What do your fuel trims look like?
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 04:17 PM
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No clue, running on the OTTP stage 2 tune.
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 04:18 PM
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Do you have access to HPT? If so, datalog it, and pay attention to the fuel trims. That should help you out. But I still say you have a vacuum leak.
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 04:24 PM
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Do you have access to HPT? If so, datalog it, and pay attention to the fuel trims. That should help you out. But I still say you have a vacuum leak.
I will most likely be getting the Stage 3 kit soon, at which point I will be getting a custom tune so if its the tune it should be fixed then...


But where should I start looking for a vacuum leak?
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 04:34 PM
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check any hoses that looked chafe or cracked. Get some brake cleaner and get spraying! I'm not suggesting it's your tune either, but fuel trims can help you determine if you have a leak or not.
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 04:50 PM
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check any hoses that looked chafe or cracked. Get some brake cleaner and get spraying! I'm not suggesting it's your tune either, but fuel trims can help you determine if you have a leak or not.


I am only getting this misfire every once and a while... maybe once a week. Could it still be a vacuum leak?
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 04:58 PM
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it could be a small leak. That's why I say to check your fuel trims. There's two kinds of misfires (lean and rich). Lean misfires are usually vacuum leaks. The only other recommendation I have is to pull your spark plugs and see what they look like. Those are good indicators of what's happening in your combustion chamber.
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 04:59 PM
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i use soapy water to check for leaks. Also every car is different if .032 doesnt work for you trying going .035. I dont believe going lower then .032 will work.
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 05:02 PM
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it could be a small leak. That's why I say to check your fuel trims. There's two kinds of misfires (lean and rich). Lean misfires are usually vacuum leaks. The only other recommendation I have is to pull your spark plugs and see what they look like. Those are good indicators of what's happening in your combustion chamber.
Plugs are pretty black. I was told that is because of running rich.
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Plugs are pretty black. I was told that is because of running rich.
is the tip of the plug black or is it the threading of the plug black?
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i use soapy water to check for leaks. Also every car is different if .032 doesnt work for you trying going .035. I dont believe going lower then .032 will work.
I had mine at .035. Way to much. Anywhere between .029 and .032 is spec for our cars.

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Plugs are pretty black. I was told that is because of running rich.
replace the spark plugs with some NGK's. Make sure you gap them though, and monitor what happens to those.
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 05:07 PM
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is the tip of the plug black or is it the threading of the plug black?
umm... I am pretty sure it's just the threading... I haven't looked in a while though.

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I had mine at .035. Way to much. Anywhere between .029 and .032 is spec for our cars.



replace the spark plugs with some NGK's. Make sure you gap them though, and monitor what happens to those.


Where can I get the one step colder NGK's?

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chances are you may have a fouled plug, or the gap is too big. If that doesn't work, then you can always check for leaks and stuff.
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Originally Posted by JAYNO20
umm... I am pretty sure it's just the threading... I haven't looked in a while though.
if the tip isnt black then its not running rich

Where can I get the one step colder NGK's?
online, try ottp or cobalt-addiction or something. you can order it at a parts store. part is bkr7e
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online try ottp or cobalt-addiction or something. you can order it at a parts store. part is bkr7e
I have some of the one step colder autolite plugs, are the NGK's really any better?
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Originally Posted by mexi_loco
I had mine at .035. Way to much. Anywhere between .029 and .032 is spec for our cars.
if your talking factory gap its around .040
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umm... I am pretty sure it's just the threading... I haven't looked in a while though.





Where can I get the one step colder NGK's?
Get some NGK BKR6E's. Stock number is 6962. They're like less than 10 bucks. It's came in my ride, so no need to put anything else.
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Originally Posted by JAYNO20
I have some of the one step colder autolite plugs, are the NGK's really any better?
i used autolites and i had misfires. the ngks are great.
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is that for all cobalts or just a certain displacement? Cause I could have sworn spec for our ride is .029 - .032. AUTOLITES SUCK!
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Originally Posted by mexi_loco
Get some NGK BKR6E's. Stock number is 6962. They're like less than 10 bucks. It's came in my ride, so no need to put anything else.
i dont know if the 6 was a typo but bkr7e is the right part for 1 step colder

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is that for all cobalts or just a certain displacement? Cause I could have sworn spec for our ride is .029 - .032. AUTOLITES SUCK!
.040 is stock gap for the lsj, i dont know about the other motors

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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 05:20 PM
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Hmmm... Maybe the Autolites are causing it then. I think I will switch to NGK's and gap them at 0.30 and see what that does.
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Redefined1
i dont know if the 6 was a typo but bkr7e is the right part for 1 step colder



.040 is stock gap for the lsj, i dont know about the other motors
All I know is that I have a set of 8 dollar NGK's in my car, gapped at .032 and my car is running beautifully. I used to have some 1 step colder, but didn't notice a difference performance-wise. Even after datalogging, I didn't notice any difference between the two plugs.
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Originally Posted by mexi_loco
All I know is that I have a set of 8 dollar NGK's in my car, gapped at .032 and my car is running beautifully. I used to have some 1 step colder, but didn't notice a difference performance-wise. Even after datalogging, I didn't notice any difference between the two plugs.
i dont believe the step colder does anything for performance. i believe it has some affect of running a little cooler. i could be completely wrong on this and someone might step in and help on the subject of 1 step colder plugs.
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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 05:28 PM
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I don't think so. I believe 1-step colder means it will fire at an earlier degree than a n/a engine because more air is coming into the engine. Or something like that. It really has nothing to do helping the engine run cooler.
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