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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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Redlining from 1st to 3rd

Hey guys, I am not that practiced on how a good clutch or stick shift car is supposed to be working, so I have a question I want to ask since it has happened to me a couple of times now.

Most of the times I am on first rolling like at 20 mph, that I step on it, u know the car peels out and starts hitting redline. Well It has happened to me that when I step on it and hit reline I shift a couple of seconds after to 2nd, but on second my rpms stay really high up and hit's redline in a matter of 2 or 3 seconds. I shifted to 3rd to see if it was grip that I didn't have or something like that but it didn't seem like it. When I was on 3rd I was probably doing 60 and I was about to hit redline. Now I am saying this because it seems to only happen when I step on it from first (sometimes) at around that speed, cause rolling at 40 from 2nd it runs nice.

I am trying to find out if maybe it has happen to any of u. Can it be my clutch that is messing that up for me??? Or the gears???

If u don't understand the explanation I gave, please let me know, I really want someone to help me with this.

I bought the car almost a month from now. From everything I have looked at it seems stock to me, except for the injen intake I put in. Any inputs on this will be really appreciated. Thanks!!!
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 09:02 PM
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sounds like its the clutch slipping.
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 09:21 PM
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yep that's the clutch alright...
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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clutch is toast
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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get the exedy hyper single. expensive but worth it. if you drive your car like its a race car you better be prepared to pay for it like its a race car
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 10:54 PM
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Yea that's what I thought. Hmmmm well I don't want to spend a fortune on the clutch since my car is not going over 300 hp anytime soon. What clutches do u guys recommend?
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 10:56 PM
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dont want to spend a lot? gm clutch upgrade for $236 and get your flywheel remachined
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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+1 for the gm upgrade clutch....however I don't know if you are experiencing clutch slip or wheel spin. If its holding fine every time on a hard 2nd gear pull its probably wheel spin that you are getting. Try doing a hard pull in 3rd, or put it in 4th/5th at a low speed and see if it slips when you give it gas.

It seriously sounds like you just aren't used to the lsj. Our 1st gear ends really early and its normal for 2nd to be winded out to around 65-70ish depending on your redline. My 2nd gear hits redline REALLY quick when I am on it in first because my tires are spinning, has nothing to do with clutch slippage.
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Zach06CobaltSC
+1 for the gm upgrade clutch....however I don't know if you are experiencing clutch slip or wheel spin. If its holding fine every time on a hard 2nd gear pull its probably wheel spin that you are getting. Try doing a hard pull in 3rd, or put it in 4th/5th at a low speed and see if it slips when you give it gas.

It seriously sounds like you just aren't used to the lsj. Our 1st gear ends really early and its normal for 2nd to be winded out to around 65-70ish depending on your redline. My 2nd gear hits redline REALLY quick when I am on it in first because my tires are spinning, has nothing to do with clutch slippage.
Yeah that's the thing, it has only done it when I do it from 1st. I did think it was wheel spin at the beginning, but this time it happened till 3rd gear's redline, so I was not sure. Have u ever had wheel spin all the way up to 3rd gear? I noticed cause I was racing an acura integra and when I hit the gas I jumped on him, but when I shifted he caught up, and when I shifted to third he was still next to me lol. Then when we raced again I took him by like 2 cars by the time I hit 3rd lol.
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 11:49 PM
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How many miles are you at? Just curious.
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 11:59 PM
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how long should a stock clutch last under normal use
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 12:12 AM
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my car has done the same thing several times... if it was the clutch wouldnt u smell it. ud think clutch slipping like this would produce sum bad funk. ive also done the 4th gear test to see if its slips and it stalls immediately.

could it be tire spin since when i do a normal burnout they dont squeal or make any noise at all???
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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I just reached 49k miles. I have smelled something burn sometimes that it has happened but can't seem to difference if it's wheel or clutch.
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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If you decide its clutch and you want a brand new stock one let me know. I have a new stock clutch and pressure plate you can have for $225 shipped
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 12:13 PM
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Well they just told me 236$ for a GM Clutch upgrade.
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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Ill check on that. Last time i looked at CED it was $260 plus shipping

Edit: Here it is on CED

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/stor...P2301C229.aspx
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dynamico
Yea that's what I thought. Hmmmm well I don't want to spend a fortune on the clutch since my car is not going over 300 hp anytime soon. What clutches do u guys recommend?
dont u have a thread about wanting to use nitrous, and get a tune/pulley/injectors. That will put at about 300whp and add 12% for flywheel hp

italianjoe still had his stock clutch at 65,000 miles and had 20+ bottles through it and could still launch it. It is all how you drive the car. I would just go with the gm upgrade clutch or let joe drive it at one of the races.

Hell I'll take it for a spin if I am out there.
05 red ss/sc wingless with 16" black steelies

my clutch never slips on me but one drunken night when my friend was driving it he tried to show off in front of some girls. he though he was accelerating fast all the way into 3rd gear but all I smelled was the clutch burning and I started yelling. my clutch still doesnt slip with me after that
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 01:13 AM
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Honestly it just sounds like wheel spin. If your car isn't grabbing road, it revs up much quicker. BTW I read in the first post that you "hit redline" in your first 3 gears quite often (before the problem began). That's not a good idea to be slamming into redline then shifting a few seconds later.
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by OriGinaL Condo
Honestly it just sounds like wheel spin. If your car isn't grabbing road, it revs up much quicker. BTW I read in the first post that you "hit redline" in your first 3 gears quite often (before the problem began). That's not a good idea to be slamming into redline then shifting a few seconds later.
really? c'mon man. speedometer is at 60mph while redlining third gear. obvious clutch slip is obvious
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 01:28 AM
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Nah, hard pull from 3rd or 4th won't reveal anything. Not enough torque from these engines. Big V8, yes, a good test.

When a clutch is marginal, you need to hit the torque sweet spot to get it to slip big time.

Mine has stage 2 and a stock clutch. Never abused and it will do this. It ain't wheel spin, you can feel that big time.

Smell it, maybe, but if you are moving, the smell is behind you.

Ron

Originally Posted by Zach06CobaltSC
+1 for the gm upgrade clutch....however I don't know
if you are experiencing clutch slip or wheel spin. If its holding fine every time on a hard 2nd gear pull its probably wheel spin that you are getting. Try doing a hard pull in 3rd, or put it in 4th/5th at a low speed and see if it slips when you give it gas.

It seriously sounds like you just aren't used to the lsj. Our 1st gear ends really early and its normal for 2nd to be winded out to around 65-70ish depending on your redline. My 2nd gear hits redline REALLY quick when I am on it in first because my tires are spinning, has nothing to do with clutch slippage.
Bingo!

Ron

Originally Posted by whyyoumadson?
really? c'mon man. speedometer is at 60mph while redlining third gear. obvious clutch slip is obvious

Last edited by RonSS; Nov 24, 2009 at 01:28 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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