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06-13-2006, 08:18 PM
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Hi my name is mike and i am thing about getting a cobalt ss s/c. but my buddy has a srt-4 and he is always talking how fast he is and reving his engine and stuff. i was just wondering if i put a gm stage 2 on the cobalt ss will it beat him if not what else will i have to put on.
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06-13-2006, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by poppagun
Hi my name is mike and i am thing about getting a cobalt ss s/c. but my buddy has a srt-4 and he is always talking how fast he is and reving his engine and stuff. i was just wondering if i put a gm stage 2 on the cobalt ss will it beat him if not what else will i have to put on.
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06-13-2006, 08:25 PM
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Race an SRT-4 last Sunday and he had a BOV, intake, wastegate actuator and boost controller and wasted him in the 1/4 mile. Most of it will come down to the driver.
06-13-2006, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by poppagun
he has a bov and intake and that is it and he doesent race from a dig cause he says he has to much wheel hop
06-13-2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by p7x
I beat an SRT4 with those exact mods when I was stock, With stage 2 I put 3+ cars on him. Especially if he just wants to roll.
A properly setup S1 SRT with the right boltons will murder most Cobalts. But most SRT drivers have no idea what mods to get and how to tune them correctly.
06-13-2006, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Zenkat
If those cars arent running Stage 1 with BC and WGA, then theyre probably overboosting and pulling timing.
A properly setup S1 SRT with the right boltons will murder most Cobalts. But most SRT drivers have no idea what mods to get and how to tune them correctly.
A properly setup S1 SRT with the right boltons will murder most Cobalts. But most SRT drivers have no idea what mods to get and how to tune them correctly.
06-13-2006, 11:10 PM
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SRT4s are much stronger. stock for stock. SRT4's are really under rated. Intakes do nothing for srt4s, niether do bovs. They do wheelhop quite a bit, but nothing that cant be driven around. SRT4s with a wastegate, boost controller, and turbo-back exhaust make for about 105-108mph traps no prob with good traction.
Dont get me wrong...I am working on getting a SS for my dailey driver, and equally modded they make for good heats!
-Cam
Dont get me wrong...I am working on getting a SS for my dailey driver, and equally modded they make for good heats!
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06-13-2006, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by umbrae
SRT4s are much stronger. stock for stock. SRT4's are really under rated. Intakes do nothing for srt4s, niether do bovs. They do wheelhop quite a bit, but nothing that cant be driven around. SRT4s with a wastegate, boost controller, and turbo-back exhaust make for about 105-108mph traps no prob with good traction.
Dont get me wrong...I am working on getting a SS for my dailey driver, and equally modded they make for good heats!
-Cam
Dont get me wrong...I am working on getting a SS for my dailey driver, and equally modded they make for good heats!
-Cam
06-14-2006, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by torrin1234
Well.. Aren't they rated at something like 234 hp and 250ish torque?
06-14-2006, 04:03 AM
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my opinion, stock for stock, it's a driver race and the SRT-4 has a SLIGHT advantage.
go from a roll and you might jump him with your supercharger. oh, and if he doesnt race from a dig, he's a crappy driver and has no business owning that car. (haha, he probably has an ideal speed to start at too that he knows is his fastest....
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to answer your question completely, you would rape him up and down with a stage II kit. no problem
go from a roll and you might jump him with your supercharger. oh, and if he doesnt race from a dig, he's a crappy driver and has no business owning that car. (haha, he probably has an ideal speed to start at too that he knows is his fastest....
)to answer your question completely, you would rape him up and down with a stage II kit. no problem
06-14-2006, 07:12 AM
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I drove my gf's STOCK SRT4 to a 14.2 @ 102 last summer. 2.4 60'. Better track prep may have got me a 13.9*. I guess i'll have a better comparison when I take delivery of my SS. It'll be at the track first thing 
06-14-2006, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Zenkat
Trap speeds seem to be a good indicator on how well a car pulls itself. SRT's with nicely tightened intercooler clamps and minimal boost leaks will hit 100-102 stock. Rarely will a Cobalt hit 100. Usually around 98-99 with a few exceptions (same goes for the SRT).
Theyre really close, but the SRT does typically have the upper hand.
Theyre really close, but the SRT does typically have the upper hand.
06-14-2006, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 2006ArrivalBlueSS
The real question should be: $$ for $$ spent on mods, which car will outperform? For $1000 you can have an Intense Stage 5 or GM Stage 1 w/ 2.7 pulley INSTALLED on the Chev and run 13.7's. For this little $$, can you make the Dodge do the same thing? That's what I want to know!!!
You could do S2 without toys for $800 and run mid 13's at 104.
You could do S2 with toys for $1300, run High-Octane mode and hit low 13's or high 12's at 108ish
You could stick with S0 and just get fuel and a piggyback system and run similar low 13 times.
You could go untuned, get S1 (used for $200, or new for $350), BC($5 bleed to $300 nice EBC), WGA($150), and run mid-low 13's at 105-106 without much trouble.
The stock turbo on the SRT is capable of maybe 310-340 whp with as many bolton helpers as you can throw at it. But it's just too small to make real power out of, and once you run boost that high, the heat and EGT's become an issue.
The main "plus" for the SRT is its Stage3R kit (expensive as hell, but has hit 10.7 in the 1/4 with multiple boltons), or a big turbo kit from some of the multiple vendors selling them. The motor on the SRT as most have pointed out can take about 450whp without cracking it open, whereas the LSJ will need pistons at least past 300.
But the main question: Stock blower vs. Stock turbo, they seem to have similar power outputs and similar limitations, with similar money invested.
(Just watch out for some SRTs when you ask what stage they are, they could have ANY combination of mods in there)
Sorry, that was long-winded.
06-14-2006, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by umbrae
I drove my gf's STOCK SRT4 to a 14.2 @ 102 last summer. 2.4 60'. Better track prep may have got me a 13.9*. I guess i'll have a better comparison when I take delivery of my SS. It'll be at the track first thing
06-14-2006, 07:17 PM
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Good post. Its bang on. GFs' car now has an AGP wastegate, 3" turbo-back exhaust, Greddy Profec-b EBC, and a drop in filter/hacked airbox. With her driving it would put quite a few lenghts on my old '01 Mustang GT
And yes... 'sh1ft' ... im not going to take it to the track before its broken in hahaha im not THAT eager! hahaha
And yes... 'sh1ft' ... im not going to take it to the track before its broken in hahaha im not THAT eager! hahaha
Originally Posted by Zenkat
You certainly can. A few different directions as well.
You could do S2 without toys for $800 and run mid 13's at 104.
You could do S2 with toys for $1300, run High-Octane mode and hit low 13's or high 12's at 108ish
You could stick with S0 and just get fuel and a piggyback system and run similar low 13 times.
You could go untuned, get S1 (used for $200, or new for $350), BC($5 bleed to $300 nice EBC), WGA($150), and run mid-low 13's at 105-106 without much trouble.
The stock turbo on the SRT is capable of maybe 310-340 whp with as many bolton helpers as you can throw at it. But it's just too small to make real power out of, and once you run boost that high, the heat and EGT's become an issue.
The main "plus" for the SRT is its Stage3R kit (expensive as hell, but has hit 10.7 in the 1/4 with multiple boltons), or a big turbo kit from some of the multiple vendors selling them. The motor on the SRT as most have pointed out can take about 450whp without cracking it open, whereas the LSJ will need pistons at least past 300.
But the main question: Stock blower vs. Stock turbo, they seem to have similar power outputs and similar limitations, with similar money invested.
(Just watch out for some SRTs when you ask what stage they are, they could have ANY combination of mods in there)
Sorry, that was long-winded.
You could do S2 without toys for $800 and run mid 13's at 104.
You could do S2 with toys for $1300, run High-Octane mode and hit low 13's or high 12's at 108ish
You could stick with S0 and just get fuel and a piggyback system and run similar low 13 times.
You could go untuned, get S1 (used for $200, or new for $350), BC($5 bleed to $300 nice EBC), WGA($150), and run mid-low 13's at 105-106 without much trouble.
The stock turbo on the SRT is capable of maybe 310-340 whp with as many bolton helpers as you can throw at it. But it's just too small to make real power out of, and once you run boost that high, the heat and EGT's become an issue.
The main "plus" for the SRT is its Stage3R kit (expensive as hell, but has hit 10.7 in the 1/4 with multiple boltons), or a big turbo kit from some of the multiple vendors selling them. The motor on the SRT as most have pointed out can take about 450whp without cracking it open, whereas the LSJ will need pistons at least past 300.
But the main question: Stock blower vs. Stock turbo, they seem to have similar power outputs and similar limitations, with similar money invested.
(Just watch out for some SRTs when you ask what stage they are, they could have ANY combination of mods in there)
Sorry, that was long-winded.
06-14-2006, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by umbrae
SRT4s are much stronger. stock for stock. SRT4's are really under rated. Intakes do nothing for srt4s, niether do bovs. They do wheelhop quite a bit, but nothing that cant be driven around. SRT4s with a wastegate, boost controller, and turbo-back exhaust make for about 105-108mph traps no prob with good traction.
Dont get me wrong...I am working on getting a SS for my dailey driver, and equally modded they make for good heats!
-Cam
Dont get me wrong...I am working on getting a SS for my dailey driver, and equally modded they make for good heats!
-Cam
How do you figure they are "much stronger"? Also, if you have not noticed, SS S/C cars are under rated as well. Stock guys are having their cars dyno'd and getting 205+ at the wheels. A little knowledge about engine building will tell you a 2.0L car that that has a 9.5:1 compression ratio and is running 12.5-15lbs of boost is going to make a little more than 205hp. If it doesn't, then you have a pretty serious problem.
As far as modified vs. modified, I would go with the SRT-4 as having greater potential to be fast.
Chris~
06-14-2006, 10:42 PM
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How do I figure?
SS - 205whp (as you said)
SRT4 - 220-230WHP
Stock for stock... SS<SRT4
Im not building a 2.0L for a Cobalt. There are a few too many variables to say '9.5:1 + 12.5PSI = 205whp
For example, I know a 1.9L that runs alot more boost then 12.5 pounds and it doesnt quite make 100hp
SS - 205whp (as you said)
SRT4 - 220-230WHP
Stock for stock... SS<SRT4
Im not building a 2.0L for a Cobalt. There are a few too many variables to say '9.5:1 + 12.5PSI = 205whp
For example, I know a 1.9L that runs alot more boost then 12.5 pounds and it doesnt quite make 100hp
06-14-2006, 11:17 PM
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These debates will go on forever. In July I will be racing a S1 w/intake, 3" exhaust, BOV, BC, cams maybe a few other mods as well a S2 with just intake and BOV. It should be alota fun and we'll be video taping it. Than there will just be more fuel for the fire .
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Originally Posted by 2006ArrivalBlueSS
The real question should be: $$ for $$ spent on mods, which car will outperform? For $1000 you can have an Intense Stage 5 or GM Stage 1 w/ 2.7 pulley INSTALLED on the Chev and run 13.7's. For this little $$, can you make the Dodge do the same thing? That's what I want to know!!!