Some guys over at our forums went to SEMA and talked to some GM engineers and they told him is was the same reflash. The only difference is the pulley size and when you start the car up it runs some checksums and determines the diameter of the pulley and allocates maps for the size into your computer.

 

No one really knows I guess. I heard that same thing that the SEMA engineers said it was the same reflash for both Stages.

 

I've heard similar stories aswell...but usually it goes something like: "Yea my (Uncle/Dad/Cousin) works for GM...he says bla bla bla etc etc etc"

So i dunno how accurate they can be...guess we'll all know shortly anyways

 

Dude thankx for that post with the site, i was looking for it for a while, i havn't seen it in a while!

 

some guys on the RL forum also called the numbers and prices I posted FAKE
I'll wait and see, for some reason one flash for both makes no sense and nothing I've seen indicates that it is (at least not clearly one way or the other).

 

By some guys I mean "SinisterRedlines" he talked directly to the engineers. He is on hear also so he can chime in for himself. But he was there and if the GM engineers are under the impression that its the same reflash then so am I.

 

That still makes no sence to charge say $750 for injectors and reflash in stage 1, but then charge $400 more just for a pully?! These prices are just estimates but really guys. There is no reason for getting stage 2 for a 3.0 pully for $400 when you can get a 2.8 for $250 from another source. GM would be wasting there time and our money with stage 2. the warranty is the only excuse they could use to validate the price of stage 2. Now i do understand that there is no solid proof of one way or the other but it just doent add up that there is only one reflash.

 

i thought it was all the same someone should call gm or CED and find out

 

He knows his stuff about the car in general. After thinking about this, the engineers might not have understood what was asked. Either way, we will know soon.

they're a dealer and might not have any inside info....

 

$750 isnt an estimate. Its in my dealers computers here in anderson, indiana. It even has a install time just doesnt have a release date. the 750 is listed for the stage 2. I have no idea what the price is for the stage 1 becuase im not interested in stage 1 so i didnt ask.

I dont know why some dealers have this info and some dont but mine does. The dealer where i bought my car has it now too.

As far as the reflash no one knows that ive asked if its the same or different. Well just have to wait and see.

 

Well so much for late feb release of Stage 1.

 

tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick

 

ill pay $650 anydays for 40horses

 

I spoke to Community Chevy in Burbank and they told me that those part numbers are in the system but have no official release date and that they are marked as future part for our vehicles. He called headquarters and all they told him were official prices which are as fallows,
MSRP for Stage 2= 750-wholesale=637 Stage 1 500 retail- wholesale 425
these are the same prices that crateenginedepot.com has. The man told me that they are suppose to be shooting for Mid March but don't hold your breath. OH yeah he also told me that from his previous experience stage 2 should include a second flash for our computer. The description he had said "additional specific engine calibration"

 

Ok I can clear up on the stage 1 and 2 reflash. They are NOT the same reflash.
My dealer looked up the part # for the kits and then the part #s for the individual parts for me as you would if you needed to replace say 1 injector and found the stage 1 and stage 2 have to differant part #s for the reflash.

Call your ddealer and have them look it up if you would like.
One thing though. It took they guy about 20 min to find it.
Its a b!tch to get it to cross referance the parts for some reson.

Later

 

Oh f**k me, is this a definate statement? I hope not as I oredered Stage 1 with BF pullies on the way. If this is true I may have to edit my order the Stage 2.

 

Wow this does Fu***** suck. Screw GM now. I thought I was going to be able to get the stage 1 and put my 2.8 on. This blows. I'm not suppourting GM on this one. They can go screw themselves.

I'll wait until the aftermarket cracks into them and starts selling their own personal tunes for MUCH LESS.

 

I agree the aftermarket will only take a little longer......i just called my dealer and the aftermarket sales rep for this whole Tampa Area has no idea or any part number for any of the stage upgrades.

 

Really? Please post the part numbers you are referring to...
AFAIK there are no part numbers in SPO's "parts system" that could relate directly to the calibration ID and CVN numbers used in the GM TIS software. (used to reprogram your ECM/PCM)
Like I said provide the DIFFERENT reflash part numbers you are referring to (if you indeed have them) OTHERWISE

WopOnTour

 

Keep in mind CRATENGINEDEPOT is merely a GM dealership that has cleverly leveraged their unlimited access to GM parts into a web-based sales tool. Just because they have it on their web-site, doesnt mean you could order it and get it next week. (They are waiting for it just as everyone else)
WopOnTour

 

WOP, would you happen to know if the reflashes are the same program for both 1 and 2 or two seperate programs?

 

just ordered Stage 2 from Crate Engine Depot for a total shipped price of $657.95. Hopefully the kits wont be on backorder for too long and come back in stock

 

Can you get the flash without getting the stage kit?

 

I guessing you could but wouldnt that screw the car up espically with the larger full injectors?

EDIT sorry Zinner I cant read.

 

I have the 5.3 grams/sec fuel injectors already, I have the 3 inch pulley, I don't need to buy all the crap again and I don't care about the freakin warrenty.