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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 08:42 PM
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But mist is suspended liquid, and liquid meth cant burn (only the vapor can and since it evaporates just sitting in the open lighting the vapor on fire will keep a fire lit until all the meth is gone or it stops evaporating), which means it cant alter your octane rating.
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 08:42 PM
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i have an aem progressive kit
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 08:44 PM
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i have an aem progressive kit
i meant power adder, pulley, etc...
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Leafydialupking
But mist is suspended liquid, and liquid meth cant burn (only the vapor can and since it evaporates just sitting in the open lighting the vapor on fire will keep a fire lit until all the meth is gone or it stops evaporating), which means it cant alter your octane rating.
yes it will burn and i was able to run up the timing and meth doseant absorb heat it displaces it so if you displace something its not gone it is still there

was on m62 2.8 now on tvs with 3.1

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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 08:49 PM
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If pure alcohol didn't cool... then e-85 users wouldn't see EGT temps dropping as much as 200-300 degrees F.

Just a little snippet...

"For engines that are fueled solely by methanol, such as race engines, it’s quite common to see ice form on the outside of the intake manifolds during operation. Methanol is able to cool down the intake air temperatures entering the cylinder head so well, that when used as the primary fuel on a forced induction engines, an intercooler is not needed no matter what the boost levels are. Most surprisingly, engines can also be ran without a radiator. This being a true testament to the cooling effects offered by methanol when."

116+ Octane With Water Injection!

Mr.belevedere... 7gph is simply not enough on 100% methanol. A 7gph is roughly 8-12% fuel injector displacement on a m62 2.6-2.7 setup.

Try running 10-23gph on a m62/tvs setup and report back with your results... Who knows... you just may discover something you never knew
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 100% METH
If pure alcohol didn't cool... then e-85 users wouldn't see EGT temps dropping as much as 200-300 degrees F.

Just a little snippet...

"For engines that are fueled solely by methanol, such as race engines, it’s quite common to see ice form on the outside of the intake manifolds during operation. Methanol is able to cool down the intake air temperatures entering the cylinder head so well, that when used as the primary fuel on a forced induction engines, an intercooler is not needed no matter what the boost levels are. Most surprisingly, engines can also be ran without a radiator. This being a true testament to the cooling effects offered by methanol when."

116+ Octane With Water Injection!

Mr.belevedere... 7gph is simply not enough on 100% methanol. A 7gph is roughly 8-12% fuel injector displacement on a m62 2.6-2.7 setup.

Try running 14-23gph on a m62/tvs setup and report back with your results.
when your running that much yea it will make a difference but the little bit we run there isent enough there to make a difference in the heat but that little bit will help the octane out but that is why water is more effective in heat control with what little we run
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 08:57 PM
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That's the problem...

You want max power and maintain temps on pure methanol... Get a bigger nozzle

I've experimented with displacing as much as 60% of the injector on 19gph of pure methanol. Surprisingly enough it's controllable and kept the iat2 in the 120s-130s on 24 psi.
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 09:00 PM
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i know i read your stuff
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:11 PM
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i know i read your stuff
Could of sworn I recognized your screename from my MP90/DYNO threads
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:14 PM
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lol yea that was some good **** you all did
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:17 PM
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lol yea that was some good **** you all did
it's a shame euthanasia's customers won't let me work a little pixie dust on the lysholm.

I made a shamble of a timing table that lazily scaled to 25* by 7400 rpm and set the afr to 11.5 in a span of ooooo lets say......(5 minutes lol?) lets just say on the pathetic HUGE 3.8 pulley @ 20.5 psi its a ******* top end monster... If only I had a little more time... we could of slapped a 3.4 on it and really showed CSS what they're missing. Stay tuned though... we're dynoing the MP90 next week on euthanasia's ported head... then hopefully returning w/ a 2.6-2.7 pulley
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:19 PM
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I guess that is all true very good comment. Dose anybody have a diagrahm or pic of how the cores should look or face after installing the dual pass







First pic is the stock locations, second is moved for dual pass.
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:23 PM
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^^^

the dual pass can be done this way as well as seen in the pic above [IN - (OUT - OUT) - IN]

OR

[OUT - (IN - IN) - OUT]

Both ways yielded similar results for me...

In all honesty though... the stock endplate/h/e works just fine. Get a phenolic IM spacer and spray meth... call it day.
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 100% METH
it's a shame euthanasia's customers won't let me work a little pixie dust on the lysholm.

I made a shamble of a timing table that lazily scaled to 25* by 7400 rpm and set the afr to 11.5 in a span of ooooo lets say......(5 minutes lol?) lets just say on the pathetic HUGE 3.8 pulley @ 20.5 psi its a ******* top end monster... If only I had a little more time... we could of slapped a 3.4 on it and really showed CSS what they're missing. Stay tuned though... we're dynoing the MP90 next week on euthanasia's ported head... then hopefully returning w/ a 2.6-2.7 pulley
hell yea man sounds good to me looking forward to seeing that
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
meth will add octane it dosent do **** for cooling water is what cools down the charge
you are an idiot!its proven to drop IAT's
look it up
and while your at it look up killer chiller
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:34 PM
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the killer chiller dosent work that well and unless meth is used as a sole fuel source it is just a good octane booster nothing more you should go and use the search button and read
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
the killer chiller dosent work that well and unless meth is used as a sole fuel source it is just a good octane booster nothing more you should go and use the search button and read
your retarted! killer chiller doesnt work that well..... i have a dyno at my shop the result from before and after were huge
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:39 PM
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the couple of people i know that have tried it had lack luster results one was a cobra and flat god on the rl forums so show your hp logs prove it change my mind
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:41 PM
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i installed water meth, killer chiller and, a WOT box on a 2008 GT500
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:47 PM
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good for you there is your pat on the back happy now
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Old Jul 20, 2011 | 11:54 PM
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Learn physics. Meth is a liquid when its sprayed. It becomes a vapor (gas) after it absorbs heat (aka cools) it surroundings. Be that air or the walls of the inside of the blower. Water does the same thing but without looking it up I believe water has a higher specific heat than meth so it takes more heat to evaporate.
technically shooting water meth before the blower does nothing. because what happens when something becomes compressed.. it gets hot so for water meth to do its full effect you need to enter it after the blower
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Old Jul 21, 2011 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Schneids
technically shooting water meth before the blower does nothing. because what happens when something becomes compressed.. it gets hot so for water meth to do its full effect you need to enter it after the blower
Unless this is done on a twinscrew... the air is not being compressed inside the blower. We compress on the post side of the laminova cores w/ a roots.

Even so... heres a lysholm twinscrew that does compress air within the s/c. If you ask me... I think the water/meth is doing one hell of a job cooling pre blower
mods: 12gph 50/50 mix, stock h/e, stock endplate, 4 gallon flow thru tank
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Old Jul 21, 2011 | 02:01 AM
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Thanks so far for all the good ideas i wish meth wasnt so hard to deal with
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Old Jul 21, 2011 | 02:31 AM
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just go to the store and buy a bag of ice and put it on the blower it should be pretty cool then
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Old Jul 21, 2011 | 07:39 AM
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Methanol does cool, my buddy spray 100% meth into his buick regal t type pre turbo damn stuff use to almost freeze the turbo cold side during a pull, I also ran 100% on my car for two years, 2.6 pulley, ported head, 25* of timing and iats @ 140 after a 4th gear pull on the dyno
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