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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:04 PM
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pistons and rods and a gm stage 3 with a smaller pully stock rods and pistons are rated for around 300 hp then boom everything else will hold

comp.pistons have some pistons but a bit pricey
Ya true, but i dont wanna take that chance so i'm gonna do it right. bloody superchargers cause alot of heat, so i'm gonna do lower compression race pistons
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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WOW!! Maybe i should go with Low compression Pistons if i'm gonna be running that type of boost that's a better idea, and i will use all of the JBP stuff/ and a HELL of alot of COOOOLLIINNNGGG!!! then i will achieve some serious ponies
You'd be going in the wrong direction if you plan on staying supercharged. You'd lose power.

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Bates sleeves, where can i buy them, also can I twin intercool the car, also bigger fan, ram air scoops that should surely give it a nice shot of cold air!
Why would you resleeve your engine? The stock sleeves are rated higher than what you'd probably ever run.

Ram air scoop? Huh? How would that help anything?

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Show me one
HAHAHAHAHAAHA

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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by victory_red_SS
The Bates sleeves were custom speced/ordered through JBP.
As for the cooling we have a revolutionary way to cool my engine but it is very pricey and not yet available to the public.
If I was you I would email Mev or drop by his store as he stopped selling direct. He may very well be interested in doing the type of build you seem to be after.



The engine needed to be turned 90 degrees, a chassis had to be welded to support the new engine cradle and we have to create a new tunnel so the driveshaft can go back to the rear end. This phase of the project is still a work in process.
Well, i'm gonna buy the parts, and let me guy do the build he builds the engines for the GRAND AM cup racers, as well as the Porsche 911 GT race engines, so i'm gonna let him do the build, i just need to find these Internals.

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You'd be going in the wrong direction if you plan on staying supercharged. You'd lose power.



Why would you resleeve your engine? The stock sleeves are rated higher than what you'd probably ever run.

Ram air scoop? Huh? How would that help anything?



HAHAHAHAHAAHA

Not if i Its running COOLLDDD!! MUHAHAHA!!!

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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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Not if i Its running COOLLDDD!! MUHAHAHA!!!
Do you walk around with a safety helmet on?
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:16 PM
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Do you walk around with a safety helmet on?

Noo, but i'm gonna make sure the engine gets enough cold air !
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SSGSX
Ya true, but i dont wanna take that chance so i'm gonna do it right. bloody superchargers cause alot of heat, so i'm gonna do lower compression race pistons
Okay, here's the problem with the way you seem to be leaning towards; it appears with all of these modifications you want to make, which change the displacement, the compression ratio etc., that you are trying to build an naturally aspirated engine. If you drop compression and run the really high rpms necessary to create alot of power at a low compression and no turbo, then you cannot keep the supercharger.

I'm sorry man, but you need to take a deep breath and slow down. All of the modifications you are talking about getting contradict each other:

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Lower compression, stock blower. These two things do not go together. The blower cannot flow enough to create an environment where a lower compression piston would be needed.

Edit: BTW, a ram air scoop would lower the intake air temperature after the blower by maybe a few degrees farenheit.
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:19 PM
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Noo, but i'm gonna make sure the engine gets enough cold air !
lol

If you think that having hood scoops on your cars setup is going to benefit you to an amount that you would even notice, you're either retarded or nieve.
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NJHK
Do you walk around with a safety helmet on?
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:33 PM
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this guy needs some major help, he doesnt realize what hes getting himself into, these motors actually seem to run better at an average temp of about 88 to 95 Celcius than anywhere else, the colder you get doesnt always mean more power, your oil needs to stay lubricated, the stock supercharger is junk, im only running mine ported for a little while until my motor is fully broken in than full out turbo i go, i suggest you read up, and to spend the money you wanna spend than go and stay with stage 2 is retarded, u sir im gonna hand an award to, just for wanting to stay stage 2 and i cant believe you dished out money for stage 2 muhahahahah lol, sorry its been a long weekend and i really didnt need someone to say what they think can happen , ill stand by NJHK and ask do u wear a safety helmet everywhere
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:36 PM
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Alteast I'm not alone lol
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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Alteast I'm not alone lol
so i'm gonna have to stick with 10:0.1 diamond racing pistons like my initial setup, i'm new to the LSJ's guys sorry for not knowing as much. but, regardless, The car needs cold air, my 455 Craves cold air it loves cold air. but i'm proceeding with this build, i'm sure my engine builder will suggest to me whats right and whats not. After all he's more of an expert than i am so i guess i'm safe. But, i always assumed that for a forced induction beast that the more cold air it recieved that the engine would run stronger? guess thats a load of ****
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:53 PM
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so i'm gonna have to stick with 10:0.1 diamond racing pistons like my initial setup, i'm new to the LSJ's guys sorry for not knowing as much. but, regardless, The car needs cold air, my 455 Craves cold air it loves cold air. but i'm proceeding with this build, i'm sure my engine builder will suggest to me whats right and whats not. After all he's more of an expert than i am so i guess i'm safe. But, i always assumed that for a forced induction beast that the more cold air it recieved that the engine would run stronger? guess thats a load of ****
No it's not a load of ****.....it heats it back up after the compressor. That is why you have an intercooler/he.

To me it seems like you're trying to think too much about V8s. The fact that this engine has a SC is rare, and it's rare because on this kind of engine it is hard to make power as easily as a turbo can. In this case, look at how other 4 cylinders achieve their power; that is how we must achieve ours after a certain point.
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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikey851
Okay, here's the problem with the way you seem to be leaning towards; it appears with all of these modifications you want to make, which change the displacement, the compression ratio etc., that you are trying to build an naturally aspirated engine. If you drop compression and run the really high rpms necessary to create alot of power at a low compression and no turbo, then you cannot keep the supercharger.

I'm sorry man, but you need to take a deep breath and slow down. All of the modifications you are talking about getting contradict each other:

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Lower compression, stock blower. These two things do not go together. The blower cannot flow enough to create an environment where a lower compression piston would be needed.

Edit: BTW, a ram air scoop would lower the intake air temperature after the blower by maybe a few degrees farenheit.

I'm gonna have to stick with the my original plan then.. the 10:0.1 diamond race pistons to keep the blower.

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No it's not a load of ****.....it heats it back up after the compressor. That is why you have an intercooler/he
Then i should look into a massive front mount maybe even a twin mount and a better Heat Exchanger. any suggestions

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Old May 13, 2007 | 06:59 PM
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I'm gonna have to stick with the my original plan then.. the 10:0.1 diamond race pistons to keep the blower.



Then i should look into a massive front mount maybe even a twin mount and a better Heat Exchanger. any suggestions
Front mount? We don't have air to air....only air to water. That is what the heat exchanger is for.
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Old May 13, 2007 | 07:00 PM
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just do a dual pass, and meth injection youll be fine, maybe a cobra heat exchanger, which is i guess what a 2nd intercooler is, just so you know we run aftercooler's
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Old May 13, 2007 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NJHK
Alteast I'm not alone lol
Trust me you are not. He def. does not know what he is getting into. I've stayed out of this thread since the night it was posted so i had to chime in. *shakes head in disbelief*
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Old May 13, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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Front mount? We don't have air to air....only air to water. That is what the heat exchanger is for.
I need to upgrade that heat exchanger for alot better flow.

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Trust me you are not. He def. does not know what he is getting into. I've stayed out of this thread since the night it was posted so i had to chime in. *shakes head in disbelief*
I don't understand what the big shamble is about. I just wanna do a built engine, is that a crime lol? I don't understand the sarcasm here folks, i'm only asking for help and i'm telling ya what i do know from experience on larger engines. Mainly v8's i never driven a charged car this is my first. I Wanna build HP pure and simple, now by upgrading my internals is the first step to building "SAFE" HP then comes the compressor. That's where i'm lost, how do i produce this power and incorporate the Kompressor?


Thanks for your suggestions

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Old May 13, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SSGSX
I need to upgrade that heat exchanger for alot better flow.



I don't understand what the big shamble is about. I just wanna do a built engine, is that a crime lol? I don't understand the sarcasm here folks, i'm only asking for help and i'm telling ya what i do know from experience on larger engines. Mainly v8's i never driven a charged car this is my first. I Wanna build HP pure and simple, now by upgrading my internals is the first step to building "SAFE" HP then comes the compressor. That's where i'm lost, how do i produce this power and incorporate the Kompressor?


Thanks for your suggestions
Here's the problem. You want to produce 300-350WHP safely. We are telling you that you only need to change the pistons and use a better compressor. You will not make the power with the internals because you can't make a huge different in displacement on this tiny engine. Therefore the easiest way is to use boost. But, not the boost from the M62 because it will be past it's efficiency range.

Edit: The kind of internals you want to upgrade to are meant to handle 500+ WHP
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Old May 13, 2007 | 07:17 PM
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Here's the problem. You want to produce 300-350WHP safely. We are telling you that you only need to change the pistons and use a better compressor. You will not make the power with the internals because you can't make a huge different in displacement on this tiny engine. Therefore the easiest way is to use boost. But, not the boost from the M62 because it will be past it's efficiency range.
Yes, i want to produce 300-350HP then i'll just do the internals to the nines and then upgrade to a better supercharger. then i'll have all the power i need.
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Old May 13, 2007 | 07:25 PM
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Yes, i want to produce 300-350HP then i'll just do the internals to the nines and then upgrade to a better supercharger. then i'll have all the power i need.

What are you going to do as far as upgrading the blower? Just so you know, as of right now that would be a huge project.
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the only issue is what NJHK pointed out, custom intake manifold and lining up the pulleys. so there is no supercharger swap, what were saying si swap to turbo, cuz its a lot less work, and a lot less grief down the line, and you can run a front moutn on your supercharger but ti wont do anything, the air needs to be cooled afterwards, it wont have any benefits thats why i suggested running a dual pass set-up
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Old May 13, 2007 | 07:29 PM
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the only issue is what NJHK pointed out, custom intake manifold and lining up the pulleys. so there is no supercharger swap, what were saying si swap to turbo, cuz its a lot less work, and a lot less grief down the line, and you can run a front moutn on your supercharger but ti wont do anything, the air needs to be cooled afterwards, it wont have any benefits thats why i suggested running a dual pass set-up

Yep exactly; even getting a belt and matching up the tensioner pulley would be an ordeal.
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Am I the only one that thinks this thread is running around in huge circles?
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Am I the only one that thinks this thread is running around in huge circles?
Nope
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Now, i see I did some reading.. i Know what you guys are alll talkin about that supercharger is a parisitic loss of power, even with these internals, hmmm... now i'm stuckk! I really like the supercharger, but i want power! i'm damned if i do damned if i dont! lol

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the only issue is what NJHK pointed out, custom intake manifold and lining up the pulleys. so there is no supercharger swap, what were saying si swap to turbo, cuz its a lot less work, and a lot less grief down the line, and you can run a front moutn on your supercharger but ti wont do anything, the air needs to be cooled afterwards, it wont have any benefits thats why i suggested running a dual pass set-up
Ya, i know i can upgrade to a more efficient dual pass, i seen a few on some sites

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