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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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Seeing that you have a 2.7 on there yes it will help cool down your IAT's quite a bit.
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 05:01 PM
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oh ok do u think it would make a big difference?
It makes a huge difference for consistancy. It keeps the blower consistantly cool allowing continuous pulls without the negative effects of heat soak which can lead to knock and so on. I use it to keep my IAT2 temps down and add a few degrees of timing. This in return gives me a consisitant car with a little more power, but yet still safe to run if the meth were to run out.
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 05:09 PM
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ok cool. im going to order a meth kit at the end of the week. im getting it tuned in april cant wait
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 05:30 PM
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87 is the output.
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
87 is the output.
87 whp? no way
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Area47
87 is the output.

which means it connects to??? Output to what.
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 07:59 PM
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thanks denny i have the fender mount kit but that actually helped a little
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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Area47
87 is the output.
That's how I have it. WTF? The power goes into the relay and outputs to power the pump. This is how the Devil's Own diagram show it.

Are you messing around with me again?


Stryder, how did it work out for you? Is she spraying yet?
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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 05:47 AM
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not quite the vacum fitting i got is a little wierd did you have to cut off some of your hose and reuse it?
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Old Mar 25, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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The vacuum fitting should just be a plastic or metal T. Just cut through the middle of the hose coming off the manifold and put it in there. Then run the new part of it to your boost switch with a piece of vacuum line. Make sure you use the tiny zip ties around all 3 sides and on the boost switch of the T to ensure no vacuum leaks and viola your done.

If it's not a regular T, then I'll need a picture of this high speed piece you speak of as well.
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 02:27 AM
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Well the kit is in and now i just need to figure out how to adjust when meth comes on. i have the boost switch and its a little difficult to tell where it is set any help in that area is welcome or i will just go to extremes and work my way around. thanks for the how to diagram it helped alot. do you have condensation on your blower and intake when you do hard runs or when the meth kicks in. and damn the intake mani was almost cold so I can say my kit is working it just needs some tuning and adjusting. my wot afr is about 10.4 untuned does that sound about right?
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 05:45 AM
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Well the kit is in and now i just need to figure out how to adjust when meth comes on. i have the boost switch and its a little difficult to tell where it is set any help in that area is welcome or i will just go to extremes and work my way around. thanks for the how to diagram it helped alot. do you have condensation on your blower and intake when you do hard runs or when the meth kicks in. and damn the intake mani was almost cold so I can say my kit is working it just needs some tuning and adjusting. my wot afr is about 10.4 untuned does that sound about right?
Great to hear the meth kit is working. In order to adjust the boost switch there is a dial on it that can be turned. Bring it all the way up till the top of it is at 0. Then turn it until the top of the dial is around 8-10psi. That should be a good setting and get you roughly where you need to be. You can tweak it a bit either way to dial it in.

The blower and manifold being ice cold and sweating means it's doing the trick! To feel what the meth is really doing for you, dip your finger in it and then wave it around in the air. Your finger will feel cold and that's what the meth is doing for you and adding octane at the same time.

10.4 sounds about right as a M3 jet will lower your A/F ratio about .5-.8. This also depends on what your normally tuned for as well. Wait until you tune the car for a nice 11.8 A/F ratio, add some timing, and let the meth bring you down to 11.3-11.6. The car will pull so much harder and be safe for both modes.
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 07:32 AM
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Hey everyone where is the vaccum line located on our cars?
I'll be installing this friday and want to make sure I have everything ready to go as I have to get the car back up and going by the end of the day. (Daily Driver)
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 07:56 AM
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Look at the black plastic part on the front of the engine that says "Ecotec Supercharged" The vacuum line you want to tap is right underneath it. It will go directly to the center-top of the intake manifold.
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 01:15 PM
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cool man thanks for all your help i will go out and adjust that thing at lunch and then I will get to making my how to lol ain't no way in hell it should take 3 days to install a meth kit. it kind of freaked me out when i used the HEET and distilled water mix i wasn't sure what would happen but it works well. I think i might be running a 60 meth to 40 water mix. not sure though Im gonna go pick up a 5 gallon can of methanol from my race fuel place for about 40 bucks any idea how long that should last.
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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so i got a check engine light a p0172 and a p0121. when my car is at idle and i kind of rev grey or blackish smokes comes out of the exhaust. also my wideband acts all messed up i mean its not stoich. um does running meth mess up the o2 sensor for windband gauges? LOL that **** burns my eyes.
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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You are running way too much spray then. What size jet did you end up using? You'll have to clear those codes first. Take the jet out and use a screwdriver to depress the white tab on the boost control switch, this will activate the system to see how the spray is coming out. If it's a fine mist then it's good and you need to use a smaller jet. If it's just spraying a stream and your are indeed using the small jet, you need to check the little ferrule in the nozzle as it may be backwards, and you need to check the checkvalve to ensure it is working properly. Finally raising the psi on the boost switch will prevent it from spraying to early which may put too much in there before the car can use it

Don't feel bad on the install, trust me when I say I learned the hard way on a few things.

P0121 is a throttle position code and P0172 is a fuel trim rich code. The rich code is from the car obviously being a lot richer now, and the tps position code is probably from the adapter. You need to make sure the jet and the adapter are not causing the throttle body to bind up as well.

What are your other mods so far as well?

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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 12:10 AM
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You are running way too much spray then. What size jet did you end up using? You'll have to clear those codes first. Take the jet out and use a screwdriver to depress the white tab on the boost control switch, this will activate the system to see how the spray is coming out. If it's a fine mist then it's good and you need to use a smaller jet. If it's just spraying a stream and your are indeed using the small jet, you need to check the little ferrule in the nozzle as it may be backwards, and you need to check the checkvalve to ensure it is working properly. Finally raising the psi on the boost switch will prevent it from spraying to early which may put too much in there before the car can use it

Don't feel bad on the install, trust me when I say I learned the hard way on a few things.

P0121 is a throttle position code and P0172 is a fuel trim rich code. The rich code is from the car obviously being a lot richer now, and the tps position code is probably from the adapter. You need to make sure the jet and the adapter are not causing the throttle body to bind up as well.

What are your other mods so far as well?
stryders engine mods are: 2.7, 60s, 2 step colder plugs, cobra HE, intake, full exhaust
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 12:15 AM
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stryders engine mods are: 2.7, 60s, 2 step colder plugs, cobra HE, intake, full exhaust
Do you know if he has a canned tune or if has HPTuners?
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
Do you know if he has a canned tune or if has HPTuners?
hp tuned by a close friend, however not retuned with meth YET
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 12:19 AM
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so i got a check engine light a p0172 and a p0121. when my car is at idle and i kind of rev grey or blackish smokes comes out of the exhaust. also my wideband acts all messed up i mean its not stoich. um does running meth mess up the o2 sensor for windband gauges? LOL that **** burns my eyes.
did you use the adapter plate i gave you or tap the intake piping, something i thought of was using it pre tb. that should limit some of the suction the blower creates at idle or preboost so its not sucking the meth out of the nozzle while not in boost. just a theory.
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 12:22 AM
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did you use the adapter plate i gave you or tap the intake piping, something i thought of was using it pre tb. that should limit some of the suction the blower creates at idle or preboost so its not sucking the meth out of the nozzle while not in boost. just a theory.
adapter plate. i thought that the check valve helps to prevent the suction of meth out of the nozzle...i could be completely wrong...
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 12:26 AM
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adapter plate. i thought that the check valve helps to prevent the suction of meth out of the nozzle...i could be completely wrong...
thats what i was thinking, at first, but it may not work that way. it might allow just one way flow so the meth doesn't return back to the pump. kinda hard to explain in words.
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 12:33 AM
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thats what i was thinking, at first, but it may not work that way. it might allow just one way flow so the meth doesn't return back to the pump. kinda hard to explain in words.
yeah i know how a check valve works, but im not to savy on the meth system...cause why would it matter if meth returned back to the pump. how could it return back to the pump?

i know that in plumbing, some check valves can still hold a certain psi behind them EVEN IN THE DIRRECTION OF FLOW. it must reach a certain psi to fully open the check valve. i thought it might work that way as well...i dunno..

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yeah i know how a check valve works, but im not to savy on the meth system...cause why would it matter if meth returned back to the pump. how could it return back to the pump?

i know that in plumbing, some check valves can still hold a certain psi behind them EVEN IN THE DIRRECTION OF FLOW. it must reach a certain psi to fully open the check valve. i thought it might work that way as well...i dunno..
that makes sence that it would require a certain psi from behind to open it, what at the same time an equal amount of vacuum from the other end should in theory open the check valve as well. thats why i'm thinking he would be better off running it before the tb so the tb blade interferes with the amount of vacuum the jet is exposed to................like i said just a theory i'm working on.
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