Where's my 7000 rpm's ??
09-06-2006, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomtwtwtw
HP is torque times RPM...I'm sorry, but there's no way that GM's tune is going to make the same power at 6450 as it used to at 7000. That's a lot more torque that it has to make with the same boost as before. I mean, the stage 2 pulley is only 10 more hp than the stock one at 7000 rpm...something is definitely wrong here. Let's hope it gets fixed, soon...
I want to get stage 2 by the end of the year, but if I'm not going to get 7000 rpm out of it, then **** it.
I want to get stage 2 by the end of the year, but if I'm not going to get 7000 rpm out of it, then **** it.
09-06-2006, 10:47 AM
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uh, guys...anyone notice that stage 1 is rated at 230HP @6800RPM's......kinda hard to rate that with a 6450rpm redline, right?
Its posted most everywhere that has the power ratings...
Something is definitely screwey here, most likely they gave this poor kid a calibration that fixes the idle surge and not stage 2....
Its posted most everywhere that has the power ratings...
Something is definitely screwey here, most likely they gave this poor kid a calibration that fixes the idle surge and not stage 2....
09-06-2006, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BACK2GM
I took the balt for a little spin its pullin pretty good,but after a little bit of driving I started feeling a little hesitaion in second also i thought I felt like the belt slipped a little also in second at 4500rpm's I'll be getting some ngk's soon.
09-06-2006, 12:14 PM
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Any word from anyone... my lunch break is in an hour... I will ask the tech that did my car... and have the Service manager call GM if need be. Because 2 cars, at 2 different dealerships, on different sides of the US having the same problem!?
09-06-2006, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 05BlackCobaltSS
My question is will this cause major problems (like blowing pistons, or detonation) if he doesn't get the tune? I'm just asking b/c alot of people have asked "If i install S2 myself, can i drive it to the dealer to get it reflashed or will that blow up my engine?"
Of course you should get the flash ASAP as that is where all the fun of th upgrade is hidden. But I did my install on a Saturday, and didn't get the reflash until Monday morning. I didn't drive it much, but enough to ensure that everything was properly installed.
And Back2GM BLKSS is right, you shouldn't be seeing any belt slip at all. I don't even have any with my 2.8" on with the stg 2 belt.
09-06-2006, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SS_SC_Cobalt
Something is definitely screwey here, most likely they gave this poor kid a calibration that fixes the idle surge and not stage 2....
09-06-2006, 12:50 PM
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If there is an issue it would have to be at the end during the confirmation so the tech dudes have nothing to do with it with this new 'live' server they are using. Still awaiting a call on this subject will keep you posted it is nearly 10 here so 2 hours still before I am expecting the call
09-06-2006, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomtwtwtw
That's the first thing that popped in my head - there's the reflash out there for the idle surge, and I bet that's what they gave him. I'm not doubting the tech, but maybe the dude he called gave him the wrong info for the flash...definitely gotta do it again.
09-06-2006, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 06blackg85ss
one of the guys on here (wheelhoppinss) has that happen every now and then... it will hit the stock limiter... and then be fine to 7k... odd
09-06-2006, 01:16 PM
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im wondering if maybe the guys on the other end of the phone call are actually screwing this up. Maybe when I talk with the master tech I could have him do the older method of flashing the computer using the vci method by calling the tachline
09-06-2006, 01:23 PM
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NEWS FLASH...
So I'm on Lunch break... I drive over to LaRiche Cheverolet here in Findlay. Ask for the Tech that did my install.
"Hey how ya doing?"
"Fine, got a couple questions for you... first off, which part number did you use when you did the reflash on my car?"
"Reflash? There was no reflash... didn't know I needed to."
"Yeah........ It's right here in the instructions."
"Oh... well, you'll have to set up another appointment to get that done. I didn't know I had to do one."
WHAT THE F%@K!!!
FURY - EXTREME FURY! MOTHER F@&KERS HAD MY CAR FOR 8 HOURS... 8 F&%KING HOURS AND THEY DIDN'T REFLASH IT! WHAT THE F&@K!!!
So I'm on Lunch break... I drive over to LaRiche Cheverolet here in Findlay. Ask for the Tech that did my install.
"Hey how ya doing?"
"Fine, got a couple questions for you... first off, which part number did you use when you did the reflash on my car?"
"Reflash? There was no reflash... didn't know I needed to."
"Yeah........ It's right here in the instructions."
"Oh... well, you'll have to set up another appointment to get that done. I didn't know I had to do one."
WHAT THE F%@K!!!
FURY - EXTREME FURY! MOTHER F@&KERS HAD MY CAR FOR 8 HOURS... 8 F&%KING HOURS AND THEY DIDN'T REFLASH IT! WHAT THE F&@K!!!
09-06-2006, 01:28 PM
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First off ^^^^ WOW. I would be talking to the GM and OWNER of the dealership about that one.
Second,
Actually, since it is above 5252 RPM a 'little' torque will add more (number-wise) HP.
Second,
Originally Posted by Tomtwtwtw
HP is torque times RPM...I'm sorry, but there's no way that GM's tune is going to make the same power at 6450 as it used to at 7000. That's a lot more torque that it has to make with the same boost as before. I mean, the stage 2 pulley is only 10 more hp than the stock one at 7000 rpm...something is definitely wrong here. Let's hope it gets fixed, soon...
I want to get stage 2 by the end of the year, but if I'm not going to get 7000 rpm out of it, then **** it.
I want to get stage 2 by the end of the year, but if I'm not going to get 7000 rpm out of it, then **** it.
09-06-2006, 01:47 PM
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There was an INTERNAL SERVER ERROR. It may take up to a week to have it corrected on GM's side but after that anyone that has had it installed that isn't experiencing the 7k rpm limit should go in to get it fixed. back2gm got his fixed today using the older vci method and has the paper work on the updates which I will provide to everyone as well after work when I pick up the information
09-06-2006, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cawpin
Actually, since it is above 5252 RPM a 'little' torque will add more (number-wise) HP.
What I'm saying is that you'll need 196 tq at 6450 rpm to make the advertised 241 hp of stage 2. At 7000 rpm, you only need to have 180 tq. Stage 2 at 6450 is probably around 185, as it's already on the decline at that point. 11 ft-lb of torque may not seem like much, but it's a lot for just a tune. It's not like we can crank up the boost. (fwiw, the normal tune for stage kits does not increase torque at all - stage 1 is rated at the same torque as stock)
Regardless, problem solved as Oni pointed out. Enjoy your 7000 rpm Back2GM!