View Poll Results: What is the best Header?
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll
ZZP or Cobalt Addiction?
Senior Member
Joined: 11-11-05
Posts: 9,438
Likes: 0
From: Oceanside, Ca
A header is a header (honestly) they are similar when it comes to quality and performance gains.
I've dealt with ZZP and was very impressed with them. I own the ZZP header and ZZP downpipe and I am very happy with them as well.
This might get ugly
I've dealt with ZZP and was very impressed with them. I own the ZZP header and ZZP downpipe and I am very happy with them as well.
This might get ugly
I mean not even close it was hittin the coolant tube so bad it caused leaks... c/a one I haven't seen any issues with .,.. but thats just my personal experience with the 15-20 headers I've installed so far
Senior Member
Joined: 02-09-06
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
From: Abita Springs, Louisiana
So why pay $279 (40% more) for a similar product without gaskets and studs when CA's header comes complete with both manifold and flange gaskets and studs for only $199?
Lets say an 07, 2.4l Cobalt SS was selling for say 18k at your local Chevy dealer with free oil changes for life, why buy a similarly equiped 07, 2.4l Pontiac g5 for $25k w/o the oil changes. They are similar cars right? Which one represents the better value?
Not getting ugly, just posing a question.
Banned
Joined: 10-21-06
Posts: 3,796
Likes: 0
From: South Carolina
I agree that they are very similar.
So why pay $279 (40% more) for a similar product without gaskets and studs when CA's header comes complete with both manifold and flange gaskets and studs for only $199?
Lets say an 07, 2.4l Cobalt SS was selling for say 18k at your local Chevy dealer with free oil changes for life, why buy a similarly equiped 07, 2.4l Pontiac g5 for $25k w/o the oil changes. They are similar cars right? Which one represents the better value?
Not getting ugly, just posing a question.
So why pay $279 (40% more) for a similar product without gaskets and studs when CA's header comes complete with both manifold and flange gaskets and studs for only $199?
Lets say an 07, 2.4l Cobalt SS was selling for say 18k at your local Chevy dealer with free oil changes for life, why buy a similarly equiped 07, 2.4l Pontiac g5 for $25k w/o the oil changes. They are similar cars right? Which one represents the better value?
Not getting ugly, just posing a question.
hahahaha your post makes me laugh , do you see a difference between gmpp exhaust which has 2.25 tubing and a 3 in custom mandrel bent exhaust ???? because thats about the difference
Think of it this way go to your local diner and get a straw and a coke , sit at the table pinch the straw and tell me how much coke you get now let go of the pinch in the straw and let it flow free and then tell me how much coke you get , now after saying all this can you please explain why in the hell you would want to buy a cobalt addiction header , o yeah if you want to go slow thats right i forgot
I agree that they are very similar.
So why pay $279 (40% more) for a similar product without gaskets and studs when CA's header comes complete with both manifold and flange gaskets and studs for only $199?
Lets say an 07, 2.4l Cobalt SS was selling for say 18k at your local Chevy dealer with free oil changes for life, why buy a similarly equiped 07, 2.4l Pontiac g5 for $25k w/o the oil changes. They are similar cars right? Which one represents the better value?
Not getting ugly, just posing a question.
So why pay $279 (40% more) for a similar product without gaskets and studs when CA's header comes complete with both manifold and flange gaskets and studs for only $199?
Lets say an 07, 2.4l Cobalt SS was selling for say 18k at your local Chevy dealer with free oil changes for life, why buy a similarly equiped 07, 2.4l Pontiac g5 for $25k w/o the oil changes. They are similar cars right? Which one represents the better value?
Not getting ugly, just posing a question.
hahahaha your post makes me laugh , do you see a difference between gmpp exhaust which has 2.25 tubing and a 3 in custom mandrel bent exhaust ???? because thats about the difference
Think of it this way go to your local diner and get a straw and a coke , sit at the table pinch the straw and tell me how much coke you get now let go of the pinch in the straw and let it flow free and then tell me how much coke you get , now after saying all this can you please explain why in the hell you would want to buy a cobalt addiction header , o yeah if you want to go slow thats right i forgot
Last edited by Red2.4SS/SC; Feb 21, 2007 at 01:21 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Now if money isnt a problem get this
Courtesy of the header thread:
JBP Vortex T304 Stainless 4-1 Header
video: none available
Best Price $694.32
Best Price at http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/...tName=JP092 7
Gains: 15-20hp
Notes: 3.0" T304 Stainless Formed Collector
Courtesy of the header thread:
JBP Vortex T304 Stainless 4-1 Header
video: none available
Best Price $694.32
Best Price at http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/...tName=JP092 7
Gains: 15-20hp
Notes: 3.0" T304 Stainless Formed Collector
Senior Member
Joined: 11-11-05
Posts: 9,438
Likes: 0
From: Oceanside, Ca
I agree that they are very similar.
So why pay $279 (40% more) for a similar product without gaskets and studs when CA's header comes complete with both manifold and flange gaskets and studs for only $199?
Lets say an 07, 2.4l Cobalt SS was selling for say 18k at your local Chevy dealer with free oil changes for life, why buy a similarly equiped 07, 2.4l Pontiac g5 for $25k w/o the oil changes. They are similar cars right? Which one represents the better value?
Not getting ugly, just posing a question.
So why pay $279 (40% more) for a similar product without gaskets and studs when CA's header comes complete with both manifold and flange gaskets and studs for only $199?
Lets say an 07, 2.4l Cobalt SS was selling for say 18k at your local Chevy dealer with free oil changes for life, why buy a similarly equiped 07, 2.4l Pontiac g5 for $25k w/o the oil changes. They are similar cars right? Which one represents the better value?
Not getting ugly, just posing a question.
I've dealt with ZZP and was very impressed with them.
what is the price plus shipping? are they close..? I bet you'd be suprised..!!
I tried to stay neutral in my first post. To be honest, there are better looker, better performing headers, from better vendors.....Hahn for one and CTI for another.
Last edited by Doc; Feb 21, 2007 at 01:33 PM. Reason: is not are
Banned
Joined: 05-23-06
Posts: 11,766
Likes: 0
From: Peoria, Illinois
Thats why I said ZZP...cobalt addiction - I've never dealt with them (I recently bought a lower billet grill and waiting to hear something ~5 days now) and I've heard horror stories about cobalt addiction. I'd pay more if I knew I'd get better service.
what are the price plus shipping? are they close..? I bet you'd be suprised..!!
I tried to stay neutral in my first post. To be honest, there are better looker, better performing headers, from better vendors.....Hahn for one and CTI for another.
what are the price plus shipping? are they close..? I bet you'd be suprised..!!
I tried to stay neutral in my first post. To be honest, there are better looker, better performing headers, from better vendors.....Hahn for one and CTI for another.
Senior Member
Joined: 02-09-06
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
From: Abita Springs, Louisiana
same here i think they fixed there fitment problems the only thing i cant stand is the whining of the cat
because the cobalt addiction "header" has a 2.25 collector compared to the zzp one that has a 2.89 inch collector now you tell me which one is gonna flow better making 260+ WHP ,
hahahaha your post makes me laugh , do you see a difference between gmpp exhaust which has 2.25 tubing and a 3 in custom mandrel bent exhaust ???? because thats about the difference
Think of it this way go to your local diner and get a straw and a coke , sit at the table pinch the straw and tell me how much coke you get now let go of the pinch in the straw and let it flow free and then tell me how much coke you get , now after saying all this can you please explain why in the hell you would want to buy a cobalt addiction header , o yeah if you want to go slow thats right i forgot
because the cobalt addiction "header" has a 2.25 collector compared to the zzp one that has a 2.89 inch collector now you tell me which one is gonna flow better making 260+ WHP ,
hahahaha your post makes me laugh , do you see a difference between gmpp exhaust which has 2.25 tubing and a 3 in custom mandrel bent exhaust ???? because thats about the difference
Think of it this way go to your local diner and get a straw and a coke , sit at the table pinch the straw and tell me how much coke you get now let go of the pinch in the straw and let it flow free and then tell me how much coke you get , now after saying all this can you please explain why in the hell you would want to buy a cobalt addiction header , o yeah if you want to go slow thats right i forgot
Ok let's use your logic. What is the diameter of the ZZP's primaries? Thats right 1 5/8" or 1.625". What is the diameter of the CA's primaries? 1.7" What's the most restrictive part of a header, the narrow primaries or the fat collector? Now who's sucking coke through a straw?
Ok, lets look at the collector. In a properly designed header, the exhasut pulses are timed so that they do not enter the collector all at once, but are staggered so the negative pressure wave from one cylinder draws the other out, correct? The purpose of a collector is to gradually expand these high velocity exhaust pulses from the small dia primaries to the large diameter exhaust pipe in a way that disrupts flow the least while maximizing extraction.
What makes this difficult is that the engine does not run at a fixed rpm. So what performs best at 7k for a f/i engine feeding into a 3" exhaust is not what that same engine needs at say at 3krpm, let alone what a n/a 2.2/2.4 needs.
Let's face it, for a grocery getter/commuter (99% of the Cobalts in use today, even the sc) low to mid range torque is much more useful that max rpm hp, and that's what the more gradual opening produces. Both manufacturers offer the same peak hp claims 8-10hp gain. They just obtain it using different designs.
Are they identical? No. Are they similar? Yes. I guess the question then becomes what kind of vehicle do you drive, and what is your intended use for said vehicle. I think that DC Sports also makes a great header, it's just not designed for a modded 2.0 looking for max hp.
same here i think they fixed there fitment problems the only thing i cant stand is the whining of the cat
because the cobalt addiction "header" has a 2.25 collector compared to the zzp one that has a 2.89 inch collector now you tell me which one is gonna flow better making 260+ WHP ,
hahahaha your post makes me laugh , do you see a difference between gmpp exhaust which has 2.25 tubing and a 3 in custom mandrel bent exhaust ???? because thats about the difference
Think of it this way go to your local diner and get a straw and a coke , sit at the table pinch the straw and tell me how much coke you get now let go of the pinch in the straw and let it flow free and then tell me how much coke you get , now after saying all this can you please explain why in the hell you would want to buy a cobalt addiction header , o yeah if you want to go slow thats right i forgot
because the cobalt addiction "header" has a 2.25 collector compared to the zzp one that has a 2.89 inch collector now you tell me which one is gonna flow better making 260+ WHP ,
hahahaha your post makes me laugh , do you see a difference between gmpp exhaust which has 2.25 tubing and a 3 in custom mandrel bent exhaust ???? because thats about the difference
Think of it this way go to your local diner and get a straw and a coke , sit at the table pinch the straw and tell me how much coke you get now let go of the pinch in the straw and let it flow free and then tell me how much coke you get , now after saying all this can you please explain why in the hell you would want to buy a cobalt addiction header , o yeah if you want to go slow thats right i forgot
because the cobalt addiction "header" has a 2.25 collector compared to the zzp one that has a 2.89 inch collector now you tell me which one is gonna flow better making 260+ WHP ,
hahahaha your post makes me laugh , do you see a difference between gmpp exhaust which has 2.25 tubing and a 3 in custom mandrel bent exhaust ???? because thats about the difference
Think of it this way go to your local diner and get a straw and a coke , sit at the table pinch the straw and tell me how much coke you get now let go of the pinch in the straw and let it flow free and then tell me how much coke you get , now after saying all this can you please explain why in the hell you would want to buy a cobalt addiction header , o yeah if you want to go slow thats right i forgot
because the cobalt addiction "header" has a 2.25 collector compared to the zzp one that has a 2.89 inch collector now you tell me which one is gonna flow better making 260+ WHP ,
hahahaha your post makes me laugh , do you see a difference between gmpp exhaust which has 2.25 tubing and a 3 in custom mandrel bent exhaust ???? because thats about the difference
Think of it this way go to your local diner and get a straw and a coke , sit at the table pinch the straw and tell me how much coke you get now let go of the pinch in the straw and let it flow free and then tell me how much coke you get , now after saying all this can you please explain why in the hell you would want to buy a cobalt addiction header , o yeah if you want to go slow thats right i forgot
I'm running the ca header and putting over 290 TO THE WHEELS. the only thing thats helping my low end is that pinch right now since the rest of my exhaust is 3". plus they are soon coming out with a 3" collector one too and I"ll post that up when it's available.
and these are the reasons I stopped comming on this site for 2 months... I'm starting to regret the decision to come back