09 2.2 has vTAK!
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The internet enlightened me on how VVT and Vtec works. I'm sure it could do the same for you. Vtec is much too complex for me to explain while I'M AT WORK.
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The only people being childish are the people ragging on Honda's torque like that is the desiding factor on whether a car is fast or not. That's childish and ignorant.
The internet enlightened me on how VVT and Vtec works. I'm sure it could do the same for you. Vtec is much too complex for me to explain while I'M AT WORK.
The internet enlightened me on how VVT and Vtec works. I'm sure it could do the same for you. Vtec is much too complex for me to explain while I'M AT WORK.
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Well in a 1/4 mile scenario torque makes all the difference in the world of whether a car is fast or not. A car making 500whp and 250ft.lbs. is going to get destroyed by that same car making 400whp/400ft.lbs. Going around a track obviously is a different story, but when you start talking about VTEC being so great because it can make more "power", be careful of what kind of power you are talking about. There's one that gets you going and one that keeps you going. If you catch a car at a streetlight that has more of the first kind than you do of the second kind, it's probably going to ruin your day and cause you to come up with a typical ricer excuse or reason like power per liter, which no one gives a FLYING F*** about because you just got PWNED by a car that doesn't need VTEC to make POWER. Ever seen what happens when a Honda motor gets higher in rpm and loses oil pressure from turning too hard? You lose your precious VTEC and the power you need to win the race, thus the reason most cars at the track don't use it. This great technology can't keep up if the oil pressure drops. I'll stick with the way camshafts have been working for 100 years now thanks.
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Well in a 1/4 mile scenario torque makes all the difference in the world of whether a car is fast or not. A car making 500whp and 250ft.lbs. is going to get destroyed by that same car making 400whp/400ft.lbs. Going around a track obviously is a different story, but when you start talking about VTEC being so great because it can make more "power", be careful of what kind of power you are talking about. There's one that gets you going and one that keeps you going. If you catch a car at a streetlight that has more of the first kind than you do of the second kind, it's probably going to ruin your day and cause you to come up with a typical ricer excuse or reason like power per liter, which no one gives a FLYING F*** about because you just got PWNED by a car that doesn't need VTEC to make POWER. Ever seen what happens when a Honda motor gets higher in rpm and loses oil pressure from turning too hard? You lose your precious VTEC and the power you need to win the race, thus the reason most cars at the track don't use it. This great technology can't keep up if the oil pressure drops. I'll stick with the way camshafts have been working for 100 years now thanks.
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Well in a 1/4 mile scenario torque makes all the difference in the world of whether a car is fast or not. A car making 500whp and 250ft.lbs. is going to get destroyed by that same car making 400whp/400ft.lbs. Going around a track obviously is a different story, but when you start talking about VTEC being so great because it can make more "power", be careful of what kind of power you are talking about. There's one that gets you going and one that keeps you going. If you catch a car at a streetlight that has more of the first kind than you do of the second kind, it's probably going to ruin your day and cause you to come up with a typical ricer excuse or reason like power per liter, which no one gives a FLYING F*** about because you just got PWNED by a car that doesn't need VTEC to make POWER. Ever seen what happens when a Honda motor gets higher in rpm and loses oil pressure from turning too hard? You lose your precious VTEC and the power you need to win the race, thus the reason most cars at the track don't use it. This great technology can't keep up if the oil pressure drops. I'll stick with the way camshafts have been working for 100 years now thanks.
and u guys say 150hp and 90tq like were in the mid 90s still...hondas k20a makes 220hp and 161tq out of a 2.0 while chevys le5 with "superior" vvt makes 171hp and 167tq with a 2.4...
try comparing similar technology before u talk ****
other then that...i dont have to
good call
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thats cuz ur not moving anything...why would u need so much trq to move something that weighs nothing...honda built there engines for there vehicles...not to swap in a heavy ass impala or something like that....300tq in a 1900lb car makes no sense...
my bike has a 1L honda engine, its a 95 cbr1000f (hurricane) and weighs about 600-700lbs
if i had a car with it..i would sell it
my gf gave me so much crap when i bought a HONDA motorcycle
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any idiot can drive a car in a straight line...honda doesnt make straight line cars...
and u guys say 150hp and 90tq like were in the mid 90s still...hondas k20a makes 220hp and 161tq out of a 2.0 while chevys le5 with "superior" vvt makes 171hp and 167tq with a 2.4...
try comparing similar technology before u talk ****
and u guys say 150hp and 90tq like were in the mid 90s still...hondas k20a makes 220hp and 161tq out of a 2.0 while chevys le5 with "superior" vvt makes 171hp and 167tq with a 2.4...
try comparing similar technology before u talk ****
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No point in arguing. There is a lot of ignorance going on here. I guess a F1 car that makes about 750hp and 250tq is a bad reference for these guys. Torque is needed no doubt but high torgue in a car that doesn't weigh much is good for roasting tires. Oh and going up hills without switching gears.
Then does that mean I could compare a 2.2l cobalt engine to the redbull drag 2.2 that makes 1400hp?
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