2.2L L61 Performance Tech 16 valve 145 hp EcoTec with 155 lb-ft of torque

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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 09:04 PM
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ok everyone needs to just calm down about this its a very small difference and if hes running a 3" downpipe to a 2.5" or smaller exhaust its ok he will still maintain almost all of his backpressure he wants from the exhaust and it will allow the engine to get more air out of the block and moving towards the exhaust itself couple this extra flow with the shift to a smaller pipe and instantly u naturally get backpressure so calm down and think about the science before u jump down anyones throat....plus if he ever decides to mod his engine further its just one less thing to worry about

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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 09:09 PM
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Did you just say backpressure that many times and then say to think about science? Backpressure is the enemy, and that large of a pipe may create it due to the low velocity it creates.
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 09:31 PM
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hey ive got a rough idle when i start the car... i just boosted my 2.2 pontiac g5... any suggestions???
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 09:34 PM
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Are you tuned? make your own thread.
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Old Jul 25, 2011 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Leafydialupking
Did you just say backpressure that many times and then say to think about science? Backpressure is the enemy, and that large of a pipe may create it due to the low velocity it creates.

I think he was meaning exhaust velocity.
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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 01:15 AM
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no thats just it backpressure is great for your engine when your not boosting with a supercharger or turbo and not running at high power rates naturally it adds power and im not going to fight with u about this over forums but there is a ******* reason that exhausts are typically 2-3 inches and not 6 its not all about getting the exhaust out in the shortest possible time

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Old Jul 26, 2011 | 04:54 AM
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Yeah, the reason exhausts are small is too keep gas velocity up for better scavenging.
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Old Jul 27, 2011 | 06:31 PM
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Well just got the downpipe in today and looks like the o2 bung is on the wrong side. Why zzp why?
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Old Aug 2, 2011 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CobaltMcgee
Any 2.2 running a 3in downpipe?
I am but I also have the supercharger sitting in the shed waiting on more parts...
Originally Posted by xdjstylz330x
i assume your na, may i ask why you would consider a 3"?? NA's need some backpressure whereas forced does not. I mean, low end turbos dont even need a 3".
You just said backpressure... youre an idiot...

Taken from Cobb tuning:
One thing I do want to explain before I get too far into this is backpressure. I hear "You need backpressure to make torque." all the time. And it even comes from "tuners" as well as customers. This is flat out not true. Before I arrived into the company of true tuners I fell into the same trap myself. The reality is that backpressure is the enemy. You want to keep it as low as possible. What you do want is to keep velocity up. However doing the things that keep velocity high involves slightly more backpressure under some conditions. You want to keep the gasses moving as quickly as possible to make both good torque and top end power. The perfect exhaust system would keep the gasses moving as fast as they did coming out of the cylinder and have zero backpressure. However this is impossible to achieve in the real world.
Originally Posted by BlackCobalt707
from what ive always been told, when you start goin around 300 a 3" is needed, but less that that a 2.5" will be alright
Generally yes but it is based on CFM's, 300 is just an average estimate.

Also from Cobb Tuning:
Pipe diameter does have an effect on flow rates as well, but again it is not the major factor in most cases. 2.5" may flow enough for 300-350 h.p. without being a restriction. 3" is usually capable of flowing 500-600 h.p. before becoming a restriction. This is assuming that you have designed the rest of the system up to par. There are also full 3.5" systems and those that start out at 4" and taper down. Unless you are making over 500-600 h.p. anything over 3" is a case of diminishing returns and in most cases has no advantage. There is more to gain going from 2.5" up to 3" than there is going from 3" to 3.5". A 3" system will not loose torque compared to a 2.5" system if designed properly. In fact if designed properly 3" may be capable of making better low end torque than 2.5". Again, since the way to make the most torque with a turbo exhaust is to get the turbo to spool-up as quickly as possible, it should be the main goal of the entire exhaust system and good flow after the turbo is one way to achieve it. We use 3" as we want our system to flow enough to be capable of coping with a customer's changing goals. Properly designed we can offer it to the big power crowd while still appeasing the low end torque club.
Originally Posted by Leafydialupking
Well there goes your exhaust velocity. If I was an na 2.2 and I wanted some 3 inch tubing in my exhaust I'd want it to be as far from he head as possible. Though honestly I wouldnt want it at all.
No you are completely backwards.

Cobb Tuning exert #3:
The only reason to reduce the size towards the end of the pipe is for packaging, cost, and noise reasons. Tapering the diameter does not make more power, torque, or bring on boost faster. However having smaller pipe towards the end has less effect that having smaller piping at the beginning. In other words a system that has 3" pipe for the majority, and necks down to 2.5" at the end will flow enough for more power than a complete 2.5" system. The further downstream you neck down the exhaust the better……..if you decide to neck it down.
Originally Posted by 05LSspecialedition
ok everyone needs to just calm down about this its a very small difference and if hes running a 3" downpipe to a 2.5" or smaller exhaust its ok he will still maintain almost all of his backpressure he wants from the exhaust and it will allow the engine to get more air out of the block and moving towards the exhaust itself couple this extra flow with the shift to a smaller pipe and instantly u naturally get backpressure so calm down and think about the science before u jump down anyones throat....plus if he ever decides to mod his engine further its just one less thing to worry about

Originally Posted by 05LSspecialedition
no thats just it backpressure is great for your engine when your not boosting with a supercharger or turbo and not running at high power rates naturally it adds power and im not going to fight with u about this over forums but there is a ******* reason that exhausts are typically 2-3 inches and not 6 its not all about getting the exhaust out in the shortest possible time
Are you on crack? Read my first Cobb Tuning reference or just read all of this article:

CobbTuning.com - Exhaust Design
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 01:03 AM
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 04:13 PM
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I am researching about putting in a Stainless Steel Cat-Back™ 2.25" Borla exhaust. These are my engine stats: L4 2.2L N FI (L61). This whole thread has been about 2.5" and 3". Is a 2.25" to small to make a difference because I thought my stock system is 2.25"? I am just putting it in to help my engine breath and run better. I have no plans to race.
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 04:16 PM
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No you're putting it on to make it sound louder. If you only want what you said you want, find an SS/SC selling their exhaust locally, bolts right up.
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 04:49 PM
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Okay thanks. I will look around.
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