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Old Aug 18, 2015 | 11:24 PM
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You can do a nice little build and make decent power with an m62. Just be sure to get all the cooling mods. Ethanol is a good option also unless you want to run meth. Doesnt sound like its available around you tho. You can do all that and get tuned for right around a grand.
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Old Aug 18, 2015 | 11:28 PM
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If your canadian there's little to no magic juice for you. Luckily those sunfires are light as hell a m62 built right should be a good time.
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I don't want to produce the wrong result from this, but I guess that can't be helped.

First off, I'm pretty sure this is your first build and likely first car. Probably a late teen. You have a general understanding of what things are but not how they work in an engine, nor the stresses, pressures, and reality involved with those parts. It's all theory at this point. That's fine. I get that. We were all the same way. Until you blow stuff up it's hard to understand how parts will hold up.

Also, these HP/TQ goals. They're unrealistic. That's fine. We all get that. I was the most hated kid with a Nova because I wanted to build a 307 with a 400 crank in it. Hell, I'm still going to build a 307 with a 350 crank in it and 11:1 compression. (probably nobody here knows what that means.) I'm trying to build a 235-245whp L61 NA car right now. But it takes work and money I don't have. I've been sitting here learning since I was 16. That was 10 years ago. I'm still not an expert.

I guess my point is to slow down. The LAP has variable cams. That's great if you can get the means to tune it. Someone with the turbo Cadillac ATS went from stock whp (215) and with only a tune on a completely stock car, he got a max 285 WHP. Another guy with a NA Camaro 3.6 rented a dyno for a day, tuned his cam tables extensively, and gained .7 seconds in the 1/4 mile. That's the kind of stuff that makes the difference.
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I don't want to produce the wrong result from this, but I guess that can't be helped.

First off, I'm pretty sure this is your first build and likely first car. Probably a late teen. You have a general understanding of what things are but not how they work in an engine, nor the stresses, pressures, and reality involved with those parts. It's all theory at this point. That's fine. I get that. We were all the same way. Until you blow stuff up it's hard to understand how parts will hold up.

Also, these HP/TQ goals. They're unrealistic. That's fine. We all get that. I was the most hated kid with a Nova because I wanted to build a 307 with a 400 crank in it. Hell, I'm still going to build a 307 with a 350 crank in it and 11:1 compression. (probably nobody here knows what that means.) I'm trying to build a 235-245whp L61 NA car right now. But it takes work and money I don't have. I've been sitting here learning since I was 16. That was 10 years ago. I'm still not an expert.

I guess my point is to slow down. The LAP has variable cams. That's great if you can get the means to tune it. Someone with the turbo Cadillac ATS went from stock whp (215) and with only a tune on a completely stock car, he got a max 285 WHP. Another guy with a NA Camaro 3.6 rented a dyno for a day, tuned his cam tables extensively, and gained .7 seconds in the 1/4 mile. That's the kind of stuff that makes the difference.
Im still wanting to build a 350 with a 400 crank. I just wish i had the time. Ive been wanting a 383 stroker since i was 13.
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Originally Posted by double clutch
Im still wanting to build a 350 with a 400 crank. I just wish i had the time. Ive been wanting a 383 stroker since i was 13.
It's really cheap to do nowadays. My brother bought a complete forged bottom end kit (Crank, 6" rods, Pistons) for like $900 brand new from Eagle or Scat or whatever cheap but good brand is out there. I just can't be that conformist. John Beck built a 307 with a 400 crank and made 556HP. I want that but I can run ethanol too.
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First build, no not really second. The first was simple mostly bolt on applications tune and go..... And magic juice as in nos? Plenty of places around and here sell it. Not extremely cheap though. Meth get me wrong but I'll search I think there's a place around here that sells it. But just in case is the myth true windshield washer fluid would work just as well.? Cause I kinda think its bull.
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First build, no not really second. The first was simple mostly bolt on applications tune and go..... And magic juice as in nos? Plenty of places around and here sell it. Not extremely cheap though. Meth get me wrong but I'll search I think there's a place around here that sells it. But just in case is the myth true windshield washer fluid would work just as well.? Cause I kinda think its bull.
Magic juice=E85=Ethanol
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Originally Posted by Jesse
It's really cheap to do nowadays. My brother bought a complete forged bottom end kit (Crank, 6" rods, Pistons) for like $900 brand new from Eagle or Scat or whatever cheap but good brand is out there. I just can't be that conformist. John Beck built a 307 with a 400 crank and made 556HP. I want that but I can run ethanol too.
Ill have to look into that. Thats a damn good price for major components.
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Ethanol. No. Lol all the Canadians have gas that already contain 10% ethanol. Well crappy... Have to go with supreme and octane booster to get 100+ octane.
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Nah bruh. 85% Ethanol
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Ethanol. No. Lol all the Canadians have gas that already contain 10% ethanol. Well crappy... Have to go with supreme and octane booster to get 100+ octane.
10% eth? lol
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10% eth? lol
Almost all gas including 93 is E10
Old Aug 19, 2015 | 11:57 AM
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I love when people say they run e10.
Im like; so you run regular gas then?
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This thread is ridiculous. Why would you need 2000hp in a 2900lb car? You can build the zzp racing LNF motor and build it and tune it to 900 like they did if you're that serious. Any mor power would be a completely different car. Wouldn't even be a cobalt after all the modding it would take for that power. You'd need some serious traction lol. 450-500hp is perfect in our cars and it's not ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by blueLNFftw
I love when people say they run e10.
Im like; so you run regular gas then?
We can actually get e0 gas up here; Shell and a couple of other stations have it.



I would love a 4.8L LS/LQ based motor that revs out to 8k+ (shaft mounted rockers and the whole 9 yards).
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To play devil's advocate, he didn't say that he wants a 2000HP car, just mentioned that he's seen a video of one. I think the last numbers he put out that he wants were like 500HP.

Hopefully he'll listen to the consensus that twincharging is unnecessary and you don't get the ridiculous boost pressures that he was thinking in the beginning. If the sole purpose of the build is to put out high boost numbers then you're doing it wrong and you should rethink life.
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Originally Posted by blueLNFftw
I love when people say they run e10.
Im like; so you run regular gas then?
I'm definitely telling people that I run e10 from now on.
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Ok I have a 480 wheel LNF spool is not that much of an issue at all. And I also live in Canada and in Alberta we have 94 e10 and in BC they have 94 e0 and it is a huge difference!
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Okay well why would you want to twin charge to that power when you could easily big turbo to that power?
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Cause a big turbo = big spool = big lag. I want no lag... When I hit the gas from a stop I start pulling ... And yes your right I'm more on the lines of 500 - 800 HP now just due to the fact my calculations were off... My calculations came up with 78 psi buy apparently you just add the two numbers together. So 25 psi super and 25 psi turbo + atmosphere = 64.7psi... Okay. Kool so it seems more realistic when you put it that way. And I know a supercharger will spin and 25psi. And I know a turbo will spin and 25 psi as well so we they both run 25 psi how does the supercharger become restrictive is there a way I can in restrict it.
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UN restrict it*
Old Aug 19, 2015 | 02:50 PM
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Just saying you for get instant full boost from a supercharger either. Builds up as your rpms go up and a big turbo for us doesn't have a huge lag lol, depends on what you get. On e85 and a pretty decently sized turbo you wouldn't have much lag lol e85=more power which = not having to buy such a huge turbo to make your numbers you're looking for. There are more efficient ways of doing this. Not to mention you'll have to maintain both turbo and supercharger and it's just more weight with both.
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Well big thing if e85 makes the big turbo spin faster...


We're sticking with twining then cause there no straight ethonal gas or 85 eth around here anywheres l
Close... Closet I can get is jet fuel. 115+ octane... I've run it before you do t notice that much gains over 87... On a stock car.



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