Switching Gears with Automatic
02-05-2006, 10:32 AM
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Switching Gears with Automatic
ok, so i've been seeing a ton of posts about this lately, and figured i'd give it a try... i noticed a VERY surprising difference when i started in L, switched to I right before redline, and then popped it into D... i was smiling the whole time, since it was so much quicker than keeping it in D... my question... is this safe, or bad for the car? it is not something that would be done all of the time... thanks guys
02-05-2006, 10:49 AM
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i don't know about the cooler, but you're right about the gas mileage... if anything, i would do this every now and then... but damn... last night, i did it from a stop light (not racing, just me on the road) on the highway, and the car was QUICK!! but at the same time, that 10 second stretch before i put it into Drive the DIC gas milage went from 30 to like 26...
02-05-2006, 02:43 PM
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look into getting a shift controller, then you can have full control of the gears (basically driving a manual without a clutch)
theres an engineer that could probably give you a cheap controller design that hangs around on the gm delta forum.
theres an engineer that could probably give you a cheap controller design that hangs around on the gm delta forum.
02-05-2006, 10:57 PM
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i think in the automatic 1/4 mile thread in racing we confirmed that to get the best time out of the auto to launch in L it shifts once then on 3rd you throw it into D, but we could be wrong
02-06-2006, 05:36 AM
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Unless the car has a semi automaic mode, then you are just ******* around for nothing and are not holping the trannys lifespan. It's called Automatic. If you want to play street racer, get NFSMW or trade in the car for a MTX.
02-06-2006, 08:47 AM
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I used to manually shift my 3speed auto (no overdrive) '96 Toyota Corolla... I would be the hell out of that thing... I would always downshift into second... you really needed to to take advantage of all 100hp.
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02-06-2006, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian MP5T
Unless the car has a semi automaic mode, then you are just ******* around for nothing and are not holping the trannys lifespan. It's called Automatic. If you want to play street racer, get NFSMW or trade in the car for a MTX.
02-06-2006, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PenguinJohn
does any1 know of any companys that make shift kits for our tranny/motor? Sorry Im fairly ignorant when it comes to transmissions...
02-06-2006, 11:35 PM
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Its a 4T45E (4 speed, transverse, 45 is the like the power handling capacity rating or something, electronic), code MN5. The shifting is done completely via computer control, no shifting solenoids in the unit.
GM's literature about the Hydramatics for 2005
IPT does in fact make a manual shift unit for the car. In fact, is it switchable between normal drive and manual drive. The two things I don't like about it are 1) its kindda ugly, just a plain metal box with some buttons on it, 2) its one of those devices that gives you the power to really break the transmission if you push the wrong gear button at the wrong time.
GM's literature about the Hydramatics for 2005
IPT does in fact make a manual shift unit for the car. In fact, is it switchable between normal drive and manual drive. The two things I don't like about it are 1) its kindda ugly, just a plain metal box with some buttons on it, 2) its one of those devices that gives you the power to really break the transmission if you push the wrong gear button at the wrong time.
02-06-2006, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcent
Its a 4T45E (4 speed, transverse, 45 is the like the power handling capacity rating or something, electronic), code MN5. The shifting is done completely via computer control, no shifting solenoids in the unit.
GM's literature about the Hydramatics for 2005
IPT does in fact make a manual shift unit for the car. In fact, is it switchable between normal drive and manual drive. The two things I don't like about it are 1) its kindda ugly, just a plain metal box with some buttons on it, 2) its one of those devices that gives you the power to really break the transmission if you push the wrong gear button at the wrong time.
GM's literature about the Hydramatics for 2005
IPT does in fact make a manual shift unit for the car. In fact, is it switchable between normal drive and manual drive. The two things I don't like about it are 1) its kindda ugly, just a plain metal box with some buttons on it, 2) its one of those devices that gives you the power to really break the transmission if you push the wrong gear button at the wrong time.
the malibus that have this tranny have the manual shift option right on the shift, I know, I have one.
02-07-2006, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian MP5T
I'd chalk it up to stupidity of driver before I'd claim a problem with power handling.
You can build a bullet proof transmission (auto or manual) but with enough neutral drops/clutch dumps you can kill any diff.
P.S. The 4T45E is a dual axis transmission with an output stack (including diff+housing) that will easily cross the width of many small passenger car sub-frames. Yes its a twitchy piece of engineering as far as power handling is concerned, but the PCM is programmed with specific algorithms to increase transmission life. This includes manual down-shifting to engine brake on downhill grades. Completely expected and normal operation as far as GM designs their automatic transmissions.
I've manually downshifted my T60E for years when the need arose and have had 0 problems. Factory transmission build at 114,000 miles and still as strong as ever.
The 4T45E is derived from the 4T65E which took many of its design cues from the 4T60E... it just employed a larger diff and slightly larger clutch surfaces. Comparing the 4T45E to the 4T60E, the 45 has slightly smaller clutches but an extra plate or two where it counts. The diff casing is essentialy the same as the T60E with a smaller planetary setup.