coolboarder889

Got a 2.2 and looking to upgrade my ignition but MSD doesnt make any products for cobalts yet just curious if there is anywhere where you can buy these products.

thanks

EXsoccer1921

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actually i was reading through DRM and Dragster. and in the advertisments i did see something from msd that was geared to sport compacts with a coilpack/electric style ignition. may want to search a little harder

Jn2

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why are you "upgrading" the ignition system" on a base model cobalt...spend your money on better more efficient mods...but if your dead set on it...here you go...
http://www.turbotechracing.com/produ...dcategory=5622

07cobaltguy

what u just linked is for a full standalone car, not a stock ecu. There are NO upgrades for our coil on plug and no one has yet to run into issues that would need and upgrade to fix.

Jn2

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i know...just letting him know its out there...exepcted him to do his own research on the subject :p

DarkCobalt13

This is correct because there is no need for an upgrade. The Ignition system is plenty efficient enough until you start talking about full race application

Cobaltsky05

I have a ecotec distributor setup that is designed to work with the 2.2 cavaliers only because their intake came is keyed to turn the rotor, but I swapped cams and bolted it all up to my cobalt and it started but my timing was off so I turned it off and took it off. I have since then went supercharged. I have photo's and links to jegs.com where you can see all the specs on it, but I think it's rated in the 1000hp range. I am currently on my stock coils at over 200whp and it seems to be just fine, all my egt's, afr's and knock sensor all seem to think my fuel is being atomized and burned just fine.

further more untill you have the extra fueling for the extra air being forced in via either cams, blower, or turbo then you don't need to upgrade your ignition setup. Any real dyno queen will tell you that it's a waste of money you could gain more power for cheeaper in differen't places.

HunterKiller89

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again, the COP ignition system will be fine for power in excess of 500whp.
Even the later non-COP systems are fine for huge power. I think it was just the '05 L61's that used the ignition system that would benefit from an upgrade..and it isnt a power upgrade, its just the stock one is unreliable and tends to need replacement. This is all IIRC from Maven

Cobaltsky05

true statement! my waste spark setup on my 2005 was a pain in the ass to trouble shoot and fix.

06cobaltindallas

what about these
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory...CategoryID=352

HunterKiller89

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again...why?
dont waste money upgrading something that wont benefit you

33jrod33

My 2.2 cobalt has that problem, I was told that there wasnt enough spark going to the coil packings and that the problem was the ignition system. The guy said that it was dumping raw fuel and that it would soon goto ****. I kinda believe it because it used to smoke a ton and the exhaust tip is BLACK lol. I stopped driving, and I dont wanna take it to some ripoff, can anyone help. thanks again.

randizzle

your problem is elsewhere. anyone who says there "isn't enough spark going to the coil packings" need be ignored.

Mike85220

Ignition kits... I have done several of these, but on older cars.

I put an Omni Torquer by Jacobs Electronics onto a 1.6 SOHC Geo Storm with KV-85 ignition cables, coil was built in. The result, a little more response.

I put the same Omni Torquerer into my Dodge Daytona SOHC 2.5 and it gave it a really good boost in up and go. It took the lag out that existed around 35mph too! This was the TBI version, not turbo. The Shelby 2.2 turbo I had was stock, never got around to modifying.

I had my 1988 Fiero Formula and put on a Pro Street ignition by Jacobs Electronics, and I could not even tell it was on there. SUCKED

I had my 1987 Fiero 2m4 and put a couple Accel coil packs and an MSD DIS-2 ignition onto it, and whoa... The low end was still a complete slug, but on the freeway, it was a way different ride. It took off faster than what my Cobalt 2.2 can on the freeway, seriously. It too was a TBI design.

It seemed to me that the older cars with TBI respond the best to ignition kits. It could have nothing to do with it though as I have no data material to support this. All I know is that the TBI cars LOVED these ignition kits, especially the DIS-2 by MSD.

I am pretty sure that it is mostly due to the ignition design was crap because the TBI cars were meant for economy and they did not do a great job with the stock ignition simply to save money.

I think a modern 2000+ ignition is just as good as one of these kits are.
If you have a 1980's or early 90's car that needs a little more push, ignition kits are great.

If you are going to go max mods on the Cobalt, MSD has got you covered.

I will say this, my first DIS-2 box was dead. I also hear these things break at the worst time.

I had mine on my 2m4 for over a year and it ran perfect. Who knows if it would have died a month later. I sold that car, and wont ever know.

Definitely one of the last mods to get.

Rodimus_Prime

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I put a MSD DIS2 on my 02 eco 2.2 cavalier and theres a TON of difference, the cobalt installation would be no different through 06, the 07s have coil on plug and wouldnt really have use for a msd

Mike85220

That is really good to know.

Besides the DIS-2 box, what else did you need?

I know some cars need more than just the box.

Please tell, I loved that DIS-2 ignition.

I will pop it onto the wife's 2.2 Ecotec Sunfire.

Rodimus_Prime

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I used to have a write up on an old web site of mine thats since closed

Basically you need the msd dis2 box, msd spark wires, coil interface modules, the 8224 coils and some NAPA connectors you use to plug into the coil pack and the ICM.

Lastly you need the Saturn Cam sync generator part 8914 or something like that, that sends a signal back to the stock computer to keep it from throwing the P0340 code.

Its really not that hard, few hours to hook up, open up your plug gap .005, and enjoy a smoothness you have never felt as well as better gas mileage

33jrod33

Ok I dont know what else it would be, autozone said misfire but i changed the boot and spark plugs, this guy says ingnition system but he hasnt tested it. It just lags power and eats gas up...?

06cobaltindallas

you know im tinkering with the idea of using a distributorless dis2 box on my 07 set up, and i know that in most cases that i wouldnt need to upgrade the ignition system but since im going to be running the fast xfi system i need a stronger ignition system for the power im looking for. ive thought about using rodimus's set up but now im looking into others ways as well. so does anybody else have any ideas as to go about doing so.
thanks

HunterKiller89

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why do you think you need a better ignition system...?

Rodimus_Prime

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on a 07 coil on plug theres not really a benefit to running an msd unless your over about 17-18psi

however on the 02-06 2.2 setup the stock ignition really blows

06cobaltindallas

well thats the case with my current build, i will be running well over 18psi, most likely close to 30psi.
since im trying to hit 600, and if the stock is good for 500 its not going to get me there.
another thought too would be to use the honda cbr coils that the build book suggests but i havent really given it much thought

Spanky's Monkey

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not to thread jack but what's the difference between the coil system used on the few ss/sc's that had it and the 06 coil system?

HunterKiller89

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the 06 uses a distributor (i think? Its not mechanically driven w/e its called), and the '07+ (along with all LSJs, LNFs and LE5s) use Coil On Plug (or COP)

huckernage

06 use one coil for 2 plugs (2 coil)
07+ use one coil by plug (4coil)