2.4L LE5 Performance Tech 16 valve 171 hp EcoTec with 163 lb-ft of torque

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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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I live in Loudon but I'm in the Bedford/Manchester/Durham area every week.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 11:33 AM
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Yea 2.7 11-12 psi (depends on the day) and e-85.

Maybe my blower isn't as tight, or maybe the E-85 tune isn't right yet. All I know is we couldn't make it KR with 25° of timing and above that it lost power (see last pull).

I leaned it out until it stopped gaining, but I'm sure there are a few ponies hiding in the Ecm somewhere. I'm thinking 2.6 or maybe 2.5 pulley and/or a 50 shot later on.

BTW I only had two hours on the dyno with it so far
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Besides...it's a wagon....
Your lack of power is due to the fuel your using.... E85 has less potential energy than gasoline does....

I'm not going to get into details....
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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Your lack of power is due to the fuel your using.... E85 has less potential energy than gasoline does....

I'm not going to get into details....
Yes I realize what you're saying. However since I have no knock with max timing, I can run more boost than I can on gasoline. So hence if I upped the boost, I could produce more power with e-85 than 92 due to the higher octane.

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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 02:55 PM
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Yes I realize what you're saying. However since I have no knock with max timing, I can run more boost than I can on gasoline. So hence if I upped the boost, I could produce more power with e-85 than 92 due to the higher octane.

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Yes, your can up your timing and boost on a high compression engine, but your simply making up the loss from the fuel. Your maybe gaining 5-8% more by running E85.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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Yes, your can up your timing and boost on a high compression engine, but your simply making up the loss from the fuel. Your maybe gaining 5-8% more by running E85.
That's my direction, E-85 is cheap $2.39 a gal and close to my home. Also since it runs cooler I expect cylinder temps to be less. Plus I hardly ever take this car out of town so finding e-85 isn't an issue.

I just need to figure out if a 2.6 pulley will make enough boost difference or not.

Jim
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 03:00 PM
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*feels like a total n00b*

The LE5 is flex fuel????
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
*feels like a total n00b*

The LE5 is flex fuel????
Technicly no, but since I have 60lb injectors (at only 87%IDC now) I have the capacity to run the e-85 with a tuner. Weither or not I will have any fuel system components fail will be a future issue.

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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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That's my direction, E-85 is cheap $2.39 a gal and close to my home. Also since it runs cooler I expect cylinder temps to be less. Plus I hardly ever take this car out of town so finding e-85 isn't an issue.

I just need to figure out if a 2.6 pulley will make enough boost difference or not.

Jim
I guess if it's cheaper and available, it is a feasible route.
For someone like myself it wouldn't be a good idea.
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Old Jan 5, 2008 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Quasimotor
Technicly no, but since I have 60lb injectors (at only 87%IDC now) I have the capacity to run the e-85 with a tuner. Weither or not I will have any fuel system components fail will be a future issue.

Jim
i think the gaskets used in flex fuel cars are what allows them to use e85 with reliability. good luck though, hopefully it works ok 4 U.
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Old Jan 12, 2008 | 08:25 AM
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I got new numbers and the clutch was slipping when pushed in 4th so they aren't entirely accurate. Only gained 4hp and lost 3ft/lbs of tq. Meh, not concerned with the numbers right now...reliability was more important this time around.

We street tuned it for nearly perfect drivability and then some WOT runs on the dyno to smooth everything else out we haven't hit.
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 12:51 PM
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I just switched from HPT to EFI Live for the HHR buildup. It will be a while before I dyno again, but so far the results look promising. I am finally able to run the car in speed density mode with the virtual VE tables, and EFI also allows VVT control.

Seat of the pants is a whole lot better now, I've not messed with VVT yet, once I get the tables squared away I'll see what the cams will do for it.

Jim
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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I am finally able to run the car in speed density mode with the virtual VE tables, and EFI also allows VVT control.Jim
now thats pretty interesting. i dont think even hpt can do that can it?
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 03:05 PM
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now thats pretty interesting. i dont think even hpt can do that can it?
No HPT doesn't have that option yet.... That's why I am using EFI Live now.
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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hmm, i've heard of EFI live but never looked into it that much. Speed density + virtual VE tables...sounds extremely confusing. Care to elaborate?
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pjk91
hmm, i've heard of EFI live but never looked into it that much. Speed density + virtual VE tables...sounds extremely confusing. Care to elaborate?
really speed density isnt even necessary from what i hear ...you can do a reliable tune without it
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Old Jan 21, 2008 | 10:34 PM
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You can what you would do is do a stright MAF tune and base it off of that. When I had my old focus when we tuned for boost we tuned soley off off the MAF
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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 10:33 AM
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i had a lot less problems with the tune, pe, etc...when we didn't have the MAP plugged in actually. It's not 100% yet, more like...85%
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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 11:06 AM
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My plan is to tune maf-less with Ve, then go back and re-tune the maf and see what the diff is.

The cam phasing looks promising though, I talked to a guy yesterday who tune 40 HP in a VVT engine, beit a larger one of course. I'd be happy seeing 5-10 HP with VVT.

The car is rediculously responcive in SD though compared to my previous setup.

I need to work on TCS and bump my rev limiter a tad since from a 30 mph roll it blows the tires off so hard it shuts down the ETC everytime now.


Jim

Originally Posted by pjk91
i had a lot less problems with the tune, pe, etc...when we didn't have the MAP plugged in actually. It's not 100% yet, more like...85%
Did you mean Maf not Map? Kinda hard to fuel it with boost and no map isn't it?

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Old Jan 22, 2008 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Quasimotor
My plan is to tune maf-less with Ve, then go back and re-tune the maf and see what the diff is.

The cam phasing looks promising though, I talked to a guy yesterday who tune 40 HP in a VVT engine, beit a larger one of course. I'd be happy seeing 5-10 HP with VVT.

The car is rediculously responcive in SD though compared to my previous setup.

I need to work on TCS and bump my rev limiter a tad since from a 30 mph roll it blows the tires off so hard it shuts down the ETC everytime now.


Jim


Did you mean Maf not Map? Kinda hard to fuel it with boost and no map isn't it?

Jim

No, we had the car tuned using the MAF only (no MAP) at first. It actually worked okay for the time being, and was a temporary solution.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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im probably gonna get the hahn turbo kit next year...supercharging it seems like a headache
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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closed up a leak today...the torque is back!

*turbo isn't a walk in the park either
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 08:24 PM
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closed up a leak today...the torque is back!

*turbo isn't a walk in the park either
where were you leaking at?
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 08:27 PM
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yea i sold my supercharger and other stuff i had cause i needed da extra money at the time..theres a guy selling an almost complete kit at a min. price of 1,200...i might do it but what else do i need...this is what he has
Eaton M62 Supercharger
• Supercharger Gasket
• Stock LSJ Intake Manifold
• Intake Manifold Bottom Mount
• Intake Manifold Gasket (Part #12597855)
• Bosch/LSJ Intercooler Pump
• Intercooler Pump Mounting Bracket (rebelautoworx.com)
• Extended Upper Radiator Hose
• Coolant Reservoir Tank (Cobalt or Ion Recommend)
• SS/SC intake
• 10ft. x ¾” I.D. Hose
• 10ft x ¼” I.D. Hose
• 4ft. x ½” I.D. Hose
• Small and Large Hose clamps.
• 3 x 1/8th NPT ¼” Barb Fittings

I still have the stock pulley injectors and i still have the map sensor
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 08:29 PM
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s/c is probably easier to run than a turbo on the 2.4
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 09:04 PM
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where were you leaking at?
I got the zzp midlength/dp combo with the 1.75" primaries high flow cat, 2.5" out bolts right up to the stock exhaust. I put it on around christmas time, and it started to leak all of a sudden and it threw a cat inefficiency code. So I tightened up all the bolts on the header (some were kinda loose, needed another half turn) , thebolts on the header to dp were all very loose, and the connection where it meets the exhaust was also fairly loose. I cleared the CEL and it hasn't come back yet. No more raspy sounding exhaust, or lack of torque. Runs smoother too.
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