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And nah, boosting it at 30k, you should be perfectly fine. Its when your car becomes an old dried up ***** like mine (teetering on 60k right now) that you should become concerned. I mean i've maintained my car just fine since I bought it brand new.......and it still runs great....and is tuned properly.......but i'm not so sure i'd boost it this late into it's life.
Yeah, I guess it just depends on what your after really. Back when I did all my "performance" mods (I/H/DP/E), boosting a 2.4 was all but unheard of. Beck hadn't even boosted his 2.4 yet, and he was one of the first 2.4's I know of to run the M62 setup. I installed my intake and full exhaust back around October/November '06. Nowadays boosting a 2.2/2.4 is a cakewalk though, as theres so many people who have done it now to provide insight, tips and help to those who want to do the same to their L61/LE5 equipped Cobalts. Back then, I wasn't worried about pioneering a turbokit/supercharger swap for the LE5......I was content with just doing the basic bolt-ons. Had I gotten into Cobalts a bit more recently and had a brand new Cobalt to work with NOW, I might have chosen to boost it..........but like I said.......back when I was after doing performance modifications to it.......having an intake and a full exhaust on a 2.4SS was the ****, since so few people had done it at that point lol. I'm kinda an OG of sorts.......so i'll stick to my current setup. Its been sufficient and reliable for the almost 3 years and 59k miles so far 
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For turbo, ZZP has a relatively low boost 'Stage 1' kit in the works for around that amount they are working on. Think they're estimating in the 225 whp range for that setup.
For an M62 swap, that's probably about right.
If you want to know what it feels like, go to the dealer tomorrow and ask to test drive an SS/TC, Speed3, WRX, Lancer Ralliart or equivalent car... just don't let them run your credit or anything. That 'stock' like feeling is going to be your goal, so you should get familiar with it anyhow.
The basic idea is that the turbo 'spools' at a certain RPM. Read about how turbos work for a better explanation on this, but basically exhaust turns the turbine which then compresses air. For the Hahn kit, the turbo spools just under 2500 RPM under moderate or higher throttle.
When the boost kicks in, depending on what gear you are in, there will be anything from tires lighting up to a nice *woosh* feeling as the torque presses you back in your seat. Keep in mind this all happens very quickly, like well under a second in first gear.
Doesn't matter what gear you are in or what rpm you change as you have either a blow-off valve or boost bypass valve that either discharges the boosted air or returns it back into your air system at an earlier point. When you depress the clutch, or just let off the throttle, the BOV or BPV will activate, that means your car is now back to running on non-boosted air.
So far as drivability, if you drive normally, you won't even notice you have a turbo on most of the time. There'll be some more low-end torque (mine could pull itself around in 3rd gear by itself pretty easily) and your throttle will likely be MUCH more responsive (depending on your tune).
If you're just tooling around, and the turbo isn't spooling and putting you into boost, then it drives just like a normal car.
It isn't like Nitrous or anything at all, the whole thing is integrated -- basically your boost is controlled by your right foot and how far you press the gas down. Very intuitive.
Really the biggest 'turbo' feel is when you are in a high gear at low rpms and you throttle up. Then it's like the Starship Enterprise.
For a supercharger, there's not much difference from how a more powerful naturally aspirated car feels since the boost is instantaneous. You might considering adding a supercharger an equivalent feel as to adding 2 more cylinder, or maybe 50% more displacement to a given engine. I hope that makes sense -- you could drive a Cooper S (kinda weak) an SS/SC or a Grand Prix GTP to get a better understanding of how THAT feels.
Hope that helps.
I boosted mine at just over 40,000 miles. Did fine -- still doing great as I've seen it driving around almost every day (kinda surreal).
For an M62 swap, that's probably about right.
If you want to know what it feels like, go to the dealer tomorrow and ask to test drive an SS/TC, Speed3, WRX, Lancer Ralliart or equivalent car... just don't let them run your credit or anything. That 'stock' like feeling is going to be your goal, so you should get familiar with it anyhow.
The basic idea is that the turbo 'spools' at a certain RPM. Read about how turbos work for a better explanation on this, but basically exhaust turns the turbine which then compresses air. For the Hahn kit, the turbo spools just under 2500 RPM under moderate or higher throttle.
When the boost kicks in, depending on what gear you are in, there will be anything from tires lighting up to a nice *woosh* feeling as the torque presses you back in your seat. Keep in mind this all happens very quickly, like well under a second in first gear.
Doesn't matter what gear you are in or what rpm you change as you have either a blow-off valve or boost bypass valve that either discharges the boosted air or returns it back into your air system at an earlier point. When you depress the clutch, or just let off the throttle, the BOV or BPV will activate, that means your car is now back to running on non-boosted air.
So far as drivability, if you drive normally, you won't even notice you have a turbo on most of the time. There'll be some more low-end torque (mine could pull itself around in 3rd gear by itself pretty easily) and your throttle will likely be MUCH more responsive (depending on your tune).
If you're just tooling around, and the turbo isn't spooling and putting you into boost, then it drives just like a normal car.
It isn't like Nitrous or anything at all, the whole thing is integrated -- basically your boost is controlled by your right foot and how far you press the gas down. Very intuitive.
Really the biggest 'turbo' feel is when you are in a high gear at low rpms and you throttle up. Then it's like the Starship Enterprise.
For a supercharger, there's not much difference from how a more powerful naturally aspirated car feels since the boost is instantaneous. You might considering adding a supercharger an equivalent feel as to adding 2 more cylinder, or maybe 50% more displacement to a given engine. I hope that makes sense -- you could drive a Cooper S (kinda weak) an SS/SC or a Grand Prix GTP to get a better understanding of how THAT feels.
Hope that helps.
I boosted mine at just over 40,000 miles. Did fine -- still doing great as I've seen it driving around almost every day (kinda surreal).
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how long will the engine last my last car had about 160k and was still going ok and i sold it with a boost on it how long? not doing anything to crazy other then just toolin around and how long would the car last without a boost and some boltons
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i have an 07 ss auto and i was thinkin about going with a supecharger a buddy of mine is sellin out of his cavalier for aroumd 1300 and was also considering a turbo kit but i dont wanna spend tons of money or have costly repairs... would actually prefer to never be in the shop with broken **** so i was wondering what you guys thought would be a good plan...or maybe a couple suggestions on a group of bolt ons?? its already lowered 2 inces with a typhoon ram air intake and damn near 3'' test pipe with no muffler off the back sounds like a f...in semi lookin into fixin that but any advice i would take thanks
but any advice i would take thanks
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im looking at the zzp turbo kit for 2k http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...=922&catid=143
it seems pretty nice an it has upgrade options
it seems pretty nice an it has upgrade options
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For turbo, ZZP has a relatively low boost 'Stage 1' kit in the works for around that amount they are working on. Think they're estimating in the 225 whp range for that setup.
For an M62 swap, that's probably about right.
If you want to know what it feels like, go to the dealer tomorrow and ask to test drive an SS/TC, Speed3, WRX, Lancer Ralliart or equivalent car... just don't let them run your credit or anything. That 'stock' like feeling is going to be your goal, so you should get familiar with it anyhow.
The basic idea is that the turbo 'spools' at a certain RPM. Read about how turbos work for a better explanation on this, but basically exhaust turns the turbine which then compresses air. For the Hahn kit, the turbo spools just under 2500 RPM under moderate or higher throttle.
When the boost kicks in, depending on what gear you are in, there will be anything from tires lighting up to a nice *woosh* feeling as the torque presses you back in your seat. Keep in mind this all happens very quickly, like well under a second in first gear.
Doesn't matter what gear you are in or what rpm you change as you have either a blow-off valve or boost bypass valve that either discharges the boosted air or returns it back into your air system at an earlier point. When you depress the clutch, or just let off the throttle, the BOV or BPV will activate, that means your car is now back to running on non-boosted air.
So far as drivability, if you drive normally, you won't even notice you have a turbo on most of the time. There'll be some more low-end torque (mine could pull itself around in 3rd gear by itself pretty easily) and your throttle will likely be MUCH more responsive (depending on your tune).
If you're just tooling around, and the turbo isn't spooling and putting you into boost, then it drives just like a normal car.
It isn't like Nitrous or anything at all, the whole thing is integrated -- basically your boost is controlled by your right foot and how far you press the gas down. Very intuitive.
Really the biggest 'turbo' feel is when you are in a high gear at low rpms and you throttle up. Then it's like the Starship Enterprise.
For a supercharger, there's not much difference from how a more powerful naturally aspirated car feels since the boost is instantaneous. You might considering adding a supercharger an equivalent feel as to adding 2 more cylinder, or maybe 50% more displacement to a given engine. I hope that makes sense -- you could drive a Cooper S (kinda weak) an SS/SC or a Grand Prix GTP to get a better understanding of how THAT feels.
Hope that helps.
I boosted mine at just over 40,000 miles. Did fine -- still doing great as I've seen it driving around almost every day (kinda surreal).
For an M62 swap, that's probably about right.
If you want to know what it feels like, go to the dealer tomorrow and ask to test drive an SS/TC, Speed3, WRX, Lancer Ralliart or equivalent car... just don't let them run your credit or anything. That 'stock' like feeling is going to be your goal, so you should get familiar with it anyhow.
The basic idea is that the turbo 'spools' at a certain RPM. Read about how turbos work for a better explanation on this, but basically exhaust turns the turbine which then compresses air. For the Hahn kit, the turbo spools just under 2500 RPM under moderate or higher throttle.
When the boost kicks in, depending on what gear you are in, there will be anything from tires lighting up to a nice *woosh* feeling as the torque presses you back in your seat. Keep in mind this all happens very quickly, like well under a second in first gear.
Doesn't matter what gear you are in or what rpm you change as you have either a blow-off valve or boost bypass valve that either discharges the boosted air or returns it back into your air system at an earlier point. When you depress the clutch, or just let off the throttle, the BOV or BPV will activate, that means your car is now back to running on non-boosted air.
So far as drivability, if you drive normally, you won't even notice you have a turbo on most of the time. There'll be some more low-end torque (mine could pull itself around in 3rd gear by itself pretty easily) and your throttle will likely be MUCH more responsive (depending on your tune).
If you're just tooling around, and the turbo isn't spooling and putting you into boost, then it drives just like a normal car.
It isn't like Nitrous or anything at all, the whole thing is integrated -- basically your boost is controlled by your right foot and how far you press the gas down. Very intuitive.
Really the biggest 'turbo' feel is when you are in a high gear at low rpms and you throttle up. Then it's like the Starship Enterprise.
For a supercharger, there's not much difference from how a more powerful naturally aspirated car feels since the boost is instantaneous. You might considering adding a supercharger an equivalent feel as to adding 2 more cylinder, or maybe 50% more displacement to a given engine. I hope that makes sense -- you could drive a Cooper S (kinda weak) an SS/SC or a Grand Prix GTP to get a better understanding of how THAT feels.
Hope that helps.
I boosted mine at just over 40,000 miles. Did fine -- still doing great as I've seen it driving around almost every day (kinda surreal).
yes, its a never ending addiction
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To this day I still kick myself in the ass for buying this turbo kit.
Ya..Its quick, its fun. It beats alot of other cars.... But in the end, its still a 1st gen cobalt...all the little problems still **** me off. The paint cracking, rotors warping, bezels breaking, etc.
As much as I love my car, I wish I never woulda bought the turbo.
Ya..Its quick, its fun. It beats alot of other cars.... But in the end, its still a 1st gen cobalt...all the little problems still **** me off. The paint cracking, rotors warping, bezels breaking, etc.
As much as I love my car, I wish I never woulda bought the turbo.
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With the power I have now, its just enough. I wouldnt want a car any slower than mine. Though in the future if i decide not to buy a camaro ss to build then I will build this cobalt up to make max hp for a street driven car. My setup has costed me way too much money though. I wish zzp wouldve had a kit out a while ago cuz they seem alot more reasonable on price. My car has been boosted since 16k to now at 41k doing fine with all the abuse i put it through.
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