well i think you should buy out your lease and be a test specimen for the 2.4 guys.....lol...and to my previous posts yea a stock ss/sc blower would be seufficient enough...it would be better to start off small and then worki into bigger things...

 

basically darksun covered it ....our block will def. handle the power...our weakest link would be our rods/pistons....its been said time and time again but i cannot rem. if either are forged...i dont believe so....but anyways you replace them and get a stg 2 + clutch or so and you should be good to go....not really and power problems there....but as far as replacing the pistons and what not go you should have to do that until you see in excess of 250-260 hp....the slutch is basically the only must have item for doing this other than all f/i needed parts....
....in short you should go for...TAG is highly qualified and it seems they do good work...

 

o an darksun i meant no offense earlier in th thread....

 

For a decent boost the M62 should work great for the 2.4, but if you want to build internals and go all out I suggest getting a twin screw. It should really only be a matter of tuning after they make the kit for the LSJ. The only stuff they would have to add is the intake manifold and the IC system.

 

yea it is, but i have a v6. LOL. I'm just saying, if he only wants, say close to if not 200whp, that could probably be acheived with cams and head work. It seems he is VERY concerned with reliability, and yes getting blown may still be fairly reliable, but don't kid yourselves, a power adder decreases the reliability of your engine a fair amount, and it may not be the best way for everybody. I'm personally waiting to see the results of the head/cam test mule of the 4.0 to see if i'm gonna go forced induction cause if i can make 250rwhp all motor vs 270rwhp on a very mild f/i setup, i'm going all motor. This is my only car so reliability is a MUST and in that case, if i can make my goal all motor, then why not go that direction? That's all im sayin.

 

damn too bad no one is on right now...marin007 is pretty mucht he only one i kno that is in your area right now that will be willing to be a test car...(maybe)

 

i kinda skimmed this, but is there a price on how much this will cost?

 

no...this is pretty much not even on the drawing boards yet...were currently trying to pique interest and see who reallys wants it and find a test car....maybe if anything like the other kits....3000-3500 usd possibly

 

no way man. 3k for a full twin screw kit? that's how much it is gonna cost to produce!

 

The LSJ twin screw kit is estimated at ~$3,200. The 2.4 will be pretty much everything in that kit plus the intake manifold off the LSJ (~$600 from GM), an HE (~$100-$300), Coolant pump ($100-$150), LSJ tenioner($?). I also heard that the alternator and compressor spin the opposite direction on the LSJ than the 2.4 because of the belt routing. Those may also need to be changed. Something that will just stack up on cost.

Using the M62 would significantly reduce costs, especially if they do a core exchange program with LSJ kit for the LSJ owners to send in thier M62.

 

none taking my friend. I kneed to lighten up some times myself. I'm all doom and gloom most of the time cause of how long i've been on this site and how many times i've blown up/ replaced parts on my car.

 

yeah that sounds good for them. honestly if its anything like the 2.2 kit for the cavs you guys have nothing to worry about but traction. i watched a guy with an s/c kit and a motor mount in a 2.2 cav go 14.3's all day and hit a 14.1 once. that bodes well you you guys.

 

ahahahhah atleast a v6 has hope also. I did a full motor rebuild on my 2.4 LD9 (motor) in my alero vs my friend in his 2.4 LD9 s/c m45 Cav and let me tell you the differnce was quite aparent. I went from 130 Whp stock to 178 whp he went from 132 whp to 190 but his top end was alot better than mine. grant i was auto and he was manual. but even from digs once he got to sit on his second gear he would start pulling past and then do a nice slow walk. I have vids too i gotta find them though.

 

like i said before, i would wait to go forced induction until you know the results of (uhh can't remember who it is) doing the cams and head work on the 2.4. For all you know there could be SIGNIFIGANT power increases. We didn't think there would be increases on the 4.0 over on the mustang forums, but after a few companies have looked at the heads and stock cams they said they are very, very mild and we can expect signifigant gains. The only N/A guy with P&P heads on the 4.0 as of now is not allowed to release dyno numbers yet because of contract issues with the company right now, but he and the company said the hp is well over 20rwhp, and the torque gains are INSANE. He didn't even go with cams yet. The only other person with heads and cams is blown at 12 psi with all stock internals/tranny etc. He put down 365rwhp before the heads and cams and he said with the new addition of them the car actually scares him and said it is running at least 400rwhp now for sure. and people were previously saying there wouldn't be much at all from head work and cams . Just wait...if you go forced induction without knowing all your options you could be dissapointed later, and hell, you could go ported and polished heads/cams right now if you just want a good gain, not a huge gain, and later on go forced induction and make rediculous power. that is just what i reccomend, but it is your money and your car, so do what you want.

 

Starting to consider this...I think I could save up $10000 in 3 years. Or close to that + a loan. Hmmm. But I do still want to see how g5mike and the new cams are doing. Aparently he just installed them and they ran fine without a tune. I really need to think about this and go with my gut in the end. I just PMed TAG to see what they could do for me and my car if I was to let them use it as a test car.

 

The 2.4L PCM can be programmed with HPtuners, RIght? If not then this should not even be considered.

you need a few things other than the M62. You need the intake as well. Stock LSJ injectors should do. I have some for sale if somebody wants them.

After you bolt it on and program it you can test it but this will be painful to do without an intercooler. you basically would need let it cool down inbetween to test right. If it works then you could hook up a intercooler or scrap the intercooler all together and just go with Water/meth inj.

Good luck with this 2.4 project.

 

ssnipes....it is much harder than just a simple tune and some minor part changes....i wont go into that.

As for everyone else i should probably change the title but we are now thinking about going with a stock blower.

Marin007...i pmed TAG and he told me 1500 for a deposit to get things rolling...also said that more than 1 personw ould be nice. Not sure if i can muster up the money right now, but i can try, and besides it would probably be better off for someone close by to put money down...lol no im not sauggesting you ...

 

A lot of things are popping into my head about this. Of course I WANT to be the test car. Yes I COULD buy the car after the lease is done. I dont think I can come up with $1500 to put down. I never assumed anything, but I thought the test car had some sort of big discount on the kit.

Im afraid of what it would cost to maintain the car once the kit is in. I have a lot of confidence in TAG, but I have a lot of bad memories from what happened with my last car. Long story short, I had a turbo car, upgraded the turbo, turned up the boost and it led to nothing but problems. My friend has a turboed 240sx, lots of problems. I understand that this is a new car, and technology has really stepped up in the last while...but somehow I still get the uneasy feeling.

Pretty much the big thing here is, I cant afford to buy the kit. I cant pull $3000+ out of my pocket because its simply not there. I cant afford to buy a new engine if the worst happens. If I could get some kind of significant discount on the kit+install and some kind of assurance that my car will last afterwards then that would change things. But for now, since non of that has been guaranteed, I cant do it.

 

I hate to say this, but you got to pay to play. If you can't afford the expenses, don't get yourself tied up in them.

 

a wise man on the mustang forums once said, "fast, cheap, reliable - pick two" if you want your car to run great and be much faster than stock, you need lots of money. end of story.

 

Well i started reading this thred then stopped and it grew so i didn't feel like reading it all, but i did how ever skim through it and believe this (correct me if i am wrong )
1. Did we decided on the super charger from the 2.0L if so it would make more sense we recycle; the 2.0 guys get a rebate when tradeing it in for the whipple which brings the price on our set up down and we dont consume and more natural recouses......( of course tagg would inspect the blower and what not and for the middle man get some chips)
2. So tuning is not the problem here?
3. what is expected cost with stock blower?

 

well i own a HHR so i wouldn't be in on this deal since you still need to do the fab work on kit for the cobalt even though it would be minor changes to make it work on our 2.4L. But you are correct if we used there old superchargers it would be way better cheaper on them since they could sell it back then cheaper for us. Also you would pretty much have the monopoly on it since your price could be lower then a custom kit from scrath with new super. I think going that route is the best.
Questions
1. What would you think the price would be for us with the 2.0L swapping theirs?
2.How much is the whipple swap costing the 2.0L
3. How much you think they could save trading their old one in?