thinking about sticking it out n/a
04-07-2008, 02:20 AM
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thinking about sticking it out n/a
so like it says im thinking about sticking it out n/a... currently looking for the pieces for ITB's. then header, downpipe, cams, pistons, rods, tune, and by that time a 75 shot. hopefully i should reach about 250 to the wheels or so. only reason im thinkin about going this route now, is cuz everyone goes turbo now... i just htink it would be sick to have a bad ass ss/na. having someone see the ss badges and say "that supercharged?".. then me saying.."nope". the look of "what the ****?!" (for those who dont even know an ss/na existed) will be priceless. tell me what you think please 
04-07-2008, 08:22 AM
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well being fully built just for naturally aspirated with no nitrous would be cool, if you are gonna spray to get 250whp it would just be better to go turbo.
04-07-2008, 09:18 AM
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www.kinsler.com already has a ITB setup i am going to be heading down the N/A build aswell, here is my gameplan
JBP stage two heads
JBP cams
Kinsler ITB
Tune, (vector custom or HPtuner custom)
Vibrant header/downpipe and cat back
JBP stage two heads
JBP cams
Kinsler ITB
Tune, (vector custom or HPtuner custom)
Vibrant header/downpipe and cat back
04-07-2008, 10:07 AM
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hell yea dude...n/a ftw lol
by the way that itb setup is ssoooooo sick! do you know what pricing is like?
by the way that itb setup is ssoooooo sick! do you know what pricing is like?
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04-10-2008, 02:38 AM
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First, come to the Ohio meet on April 19th in Columbus OH...
Second, see this: https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-4l-le5-performance-tech-46/lets-discuss-2-4-na-build-99926/
Second, see this: https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-4l-le5-performance-tech-46/lets-discuss-2-4-na-build-99926/
04-10-2008, 02:59 AM
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First, come to the Ohio meet on April 19th in Columbus OH...
Second, see this: https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=99926
Second, see this: https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=99926
o reign your so silly
04-10-2008, 02:21 PM
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www.kinsler.com already has a ITB setup i am going to be heading down the N/A build aswell, here is my gameplan
JBP stage two heads
JBP cams
Kinsler ITB
Tune, (vector custom or HPtuner custom)
Vibrant header/downpipe and cat back
JBP stage two heads
JBP cams
Kinsler ITB
Tune, (vector custom or HPtuner custom)
Vibrant header/downpipe and cat back
04-10-2008, 02:33 PM
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04-10-2008, 06:45 PM
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Personally, a N/A 2.4 build would be great. However in the long run, more expensive.
You can not tell me once you get the feel for "220whp" your not curious or thinking of ways to make it 300whp.
A Turbo kit would ideally be the cheapest thing in the long run.
Want more power? Get Better Injectors/Tune, then install a Boost Controller...
Maxing out the stock turbo? fine, spend $1200 for a bitchin big turbo...and your set for a few hundred extra HP.
I was trying to do the whole N/A build...but ultimately, its too cost worthy, plus i cant get the HP/Drivability that i want.
But ya, I concur all the time.
People look at my 4dr and say "Thats Supercharged!"...I respond with "No its not", then id have to go into a big drawn out explanation as to why theres 2 "SS's" and the difference between the 2...
If i ever get bored, or dont want to explain it, i just say "I put an SS badge on there to be cool".
Now, i can reply with "No its not" and keep a smile on my face.
Great luck with the N/A build though.
You can not tell me once you get the feel for "220whp" your not curious or thinking of ways to make it 300whp.
A Turbo kit would ideally be the cheapest thing in the long run.
Want more power? Get Better Injectors/Tune, then install a Boost Controller...
Maxing out the stock turbo? fine, spend $1200 for a bitchin big turbo...and your set for a few hundred extra HP.
I was trying to do the whole N/A build...but ultimately, its too cost worthy, plus i cant get the HP/Drivability that i want.
But ya, I concur all the time.
People look at my 4dr and say "Thats Supercharged!"...I respond with "No its not", then id have to go into a big drawn out explanation as to why theres 2 "SS's" and the difference between the 2...
If i ever get bored, or dont want to explain it, i just say "I put an SS badge on there to be cool".
Now, i can reply with "No its not" and keep a smile on my face.
Great luck with the N/A build though.
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04-10-2008, 06:48 PM
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but if you do a fully built n/a motor and then say hey i want more power its alot easier to just slap a turbo on, tune it and then drive without having to worry about breaking ****
04-10-2008, 06:53 PM
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That is true to an extent.
If you made your car a 300whp N/A car...then threw a turbo on, your car would run like ****.
Cams would be the big killer in it, leaning more to a N/A tune.
But in all reality youd be spending more, since the 2.4's have been proven to handle over 400+hp on stock internals,
Youd spend $4000(approx) for the turbo kit to hit 400hp.
or
$5000+ for a N/A build.
Just because it has "built up internals" hardly means its more reliable.
If you made your car a 300whp N/A car...then threw a turbo on, your car would run like ****.
Cams would be the big killer in it, leaning more to a N/A tune.
But in all reality youd be spending more, since the 2.4's have been proven to handle over 400+hp on stock internals,
Youd spend $4000(approx) for the turbo kit to hit 400hp.
or
$5000+ for a N/A build.
Just because it has "built up internals" hardly means its more reliable.
04-10-2008, 07:02 PM
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That is true to an extent.
If you made your car a 300whp N/A car...then threw a turbo on, your car would run like ****.
Cams would be the big killer in it, leaning more to a N/A tune.
But in all reality youd be spending more, since the 2.4's have been proven to handle over 400+hp on stock internals,
Youd spend $4000(approx) for the turbo kit to hit 400hp.
or
$5000+ for a N/A build.
Just because it has "built up internals" hardly means its more reliable.
If you made your car a 300whp N/A car...then threw a turbo on, your car would run like ****.
Cams would be the big killer in it, leaning more to a N/A tune.
But in all reality youd be spending more, since the 2.4's have been proven to handle over 400+hp on stock internals,
Youd spend $4000(approx) for the turbo kit to hit 400hp.
or
$5000+ for a N/A build.
Just because it has "built up internals" hardly means its more reliable.
04-10-2008, 07:28 PM
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HPt would not be able to suppot the ITB's because we can not do a speed density tune, you could try EFI Live and use the vitrual VE tables to tune for it but I would not want to trust that for day to day driving. You could do the ITB's and build a custom air box to go over the throttle bosys and put the MAF in there.
04-10-2008, 11:03 PM
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That is true to an extent.
If you made your car a 300whp N/A car...then threw a turbo on, your car would run like ****.
Cams would be the big killer in it, leaning more to a N/A tune.
But in all reality youd be spending more, since the 2.4's have been proven to handle over 400+hp on stock internals,
Youd spend $4000(approx) for the turbo kit to hit 400hp.
or
$5000+ for a N/A build.
Just because it has "built up internals" hardly means its more reliable.
If you made your car a 300whp N/A car...then threw a turbo on, your car would run like ****.
Cams would be the big killer in it, leaning more to a N/A tune.
But in all reality youd be spending more, since the 2.4's have been proven to handle over 400+hp on stock internals,
Youd spend $4000(approx) for the turbo kit to hit 400hp.
or
$5000+ for a N/A build.
Just because it has "built up internals" hardly means its more reliable.
JBP stage 2 heads $2100
JBP LE5 cams $575
Vibrant cat-back $500
Vibrant Header $600
K&N intake $250
Vector Tune $475
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$4500
now just for the turbo kit you are paying $3569.15 which is a limited $500 bucks off for a sale. now that isn't a tune, intake, or exhaust. sure you could might be a little faster but not enough for me to spend that much more.
04-10-2008, 11:54 PM
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If you do the itb's and go SD, keep in mind you'll need to have the map sensor located somewhere and hope that cyclendar never loses compression/leaks because it'll be in control of overall fueling....
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04-11-2008, 08:37 AM
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minus the ITB, still not sure i am heading that route, but keeping N/A is cheaper then a turbo and more respect in my book.
JBP stage 2 heads $2100
JBP LE5 cams $575
Vibrant cat-back $500
Vibrant Header $600
K&N intake $250
Vector Tune $475
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$4500
now just for the turbo kit you are paying $3569.15 which is a limited $500 bucks off for a sale. now that isn't a tune, intake, or exhaust. sure you could might be a little faster but not enough for me to spend that much more.
JBP stage 2 heads $2100
JBP LE5 cams $575
Vibrant cat-back $500
Vibrant Header $600
K&N intake $250
Vector Tune $475
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$4500
now just for the turbo kit you are paying $3569.15 which is a limited $500 bucks off for a sale. now that isn't a tune, intake, or exhaust. sure you could might be a little faster but not enough for me to spend that much more.
04-11-2008, 12:52 PM
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there are a few options for us. if this wasn't my dd, and jsut a 1/4 beast...i would have gone all motor/auto/nitrous...but since it's my d/d, then s/c'ing was the most cost effective. $700 more for a clutch + 2.8 and I've got 275 reliable whp.