2.4L LE5 Performance Tech 16 valve 171 hp EcoTec with 163 lb-ft of torque

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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 04:20 AM
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so let me get this right, you guys are saying vvt can hit anytime because of the senors and pressure n what not, so i would be in vvt at idle and the next day hit it at 6 grand? and actually i took off my muffler and i could tell it pushing more air out around 2500 rpm range, that might be when it starts

Try to keep up. It doesn't "hit" at any rpm.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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could anyone elborate on power enrichment mode? haha
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 08:39 AM
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So VVT Is like medicolorians? They are everyware all the time but our engine has a higher medicolorian count there for is more intune with the force?
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by cobaltsslover07
so let me get this right, you guys are saying vvt can hit anytime because of the senors and pressure n what not, so i would be in vvt at idle and the next day hit it at 6 grand? and actually i took off my muffler and i could tell it pushing more air out around 2500 rpm range, that might be when it starts
Like said before it doesnt "hit" it is always on, the higher rpm the more drastic the change from say.....idle.

Your valve timing is continuously varying with different engine speed. Hince....CVVT
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 09:19 AM
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Constant VVT

Originally Posted by Cobalter LS
The VVT in the 2.4 is not an "on" and "off" system. The intake and exhaust VVT solenoids control the amount of oil pressure and movement of the cams so the cams move when the ECM senses the need -- can be a few degrees or maxed out (via set parameters in the engine management programming).
Here's how Volvo (another GM partner) hydraulically adjusts the lateral position of the camshaft for constant VVT. http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/tech/fue...VTfunction.pdf Note that the cam "profile" changes with the lateral movement of the camshaft.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cobaltsslover07
so let me get this right, you guys are saying vvt can hit anytime because of the senors and pressure n what not, so i would be in vvt at idle and the next day hit it at 6 grand? and actually i took off my muffler and i could tell it pushing more air out around 2500 rpm range, that might be when it starts
Try to make this simple.....the cams do not just go from position "A" to position "B" at a given RPM. They move depending on when the preprogrammed data in the ECU tells them to. They are certainly not going to be in the max-power position at idle. Read up on Camshaft lobe separation if you really want to understand the logic. A carburetor equipped street engine (stock) cam typically has a 114-118 degree lobe separation for smooth idling while a race engine will have a 107-110 degree lobe separation for higher RPM breathing. VVT allows you to have the best of both cams with one set of cams.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 11:22 AM
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i get the basics of vvt- cam shaft lobes keeping the vavles open longer for more a/f to come into the engine, but why do i feel a burst of power VERY time i pass 4 grand? i mean i feel it at 3grand but its not as powerful
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cobaltsslover07
i get the basics of vvt- cam shaft lobes keeping the vavles open longer for more a/f to come into the engine, but why do i feel a burst of power VERY time i pass 4 grand? i mean i feel it at 3grand but its not as powerful
Your in your power band and PE (Power Enrichment mode) has kicked in. PE is a tuning map on the PCM that, that basically says ok your not trying to save on gas anymore you've got your foot on the floor and your past the normal shifting point, its time to advance some timing and make the most power possible.

There is more to it, but thats the basics from what I understand.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cobi
Your in your power band and PE (Power Enrichment mode) has kicked in. PE is a tuning map on the PCM that, that basically says ok your not trying to save on gas anymore you've got your foot on the floor and your past the normal shifting point, its time to advance some timing and make the most power possible.

There is more to it, but thats the basics from what I understand.
That is what I was going to suggest for your "boost in power", the timing being changed.
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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my last question would be do we even use sets of cams or is it all controlled by the soilenoids pardon my spelling... thats the only thing i dont quite understand
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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 24SSNighthawk
my last question would be do we even use sets of cams or is it all controlled by the soilenoids pardon my spelling... thats the only thing i dont quite understand
There are 2 solenoids, one for each CAMSHAFT. The Ecotecs all have an Intake camshaft and an exhaust camshaft. Look at the top of your 2.4 engine where the sparkplug coils are -- inside that area of the valve cover look towards the passenger side and you will see 2 wires going to the top of the two solenoids. These solenoids control oil pressure to cam adjusters mounted on the ends of the camshafts. The front (passenger side) of the engine valve cover has two bulges -- those bulges provide the clearance for the cam adjusters. None of the other ecotec motor's valve covers, 2.0 2.2, has these bulges/solenoids/cam adjusters.
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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Interesting discussion. Quite amazing how complicated a motor acutally is. More amazing is how most individuals, including myself, dont realize the intricacies. I personally have take in a ton of information from reading the forums. Not to say that I have learned much of anything, but there is a plether of information on here to keep most of us busy for days to come. I think I get CVVT, but i dont understand it. Not necessarily looking to understand it, as long as it works. xD
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