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*** GM Performance Cruze SS *** What would u like to see?
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why would it bother you? please
some people have bumper to bumper rush hour commutes..so no manual for daily driver for me--I need an automatic and want power too.
HHR has an auto right now--GXP and Sky RL have it. Oh and the 556HP CTS-V does---fast cars can have autos. Don't like it??? Don't get it! for some one to deny people the CHOICE for an automatic is beyond logic and any sense of reason.
Get used to it
some people have bumper to bumper rush hour commutes..so no manual for daily driver for me--I need an automatic and want power too.
HHR has an auto right now--GXP and Sky RL have it. Oh and the 556HP CTS-V does---fast cars can have autos. Don't like it??? Don't get it! for some one to deny people the CHOICE for an automatic is beyond logic and any sense of reason.
Get used to it
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Also not to mention the Sky RL's auto is in fact quicker than the 5spd manual....
However I'll never own an auto personally, For me there's no substitute for three pedals and a stick...
However I'll never own an auto personally, For me there's no substitute for three pedals and a stick...
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If your that serious of drag racing than you should probably build a drag car.
IMO
Road Course > 1/4mile, These cars were made to handle well for a reason...
Its not always about whats faster (0.05 sec faster shifting)...To me and a lot of other automotive enthusiast its about the just the fun of shifting and being in control.
If your that serious of drag racing than you should probably build a drag car.
IMO
Road Course > 1/4mile
If your that serious of drag racing than you should probably build a drag car.
IMO
Road Course > 1/4mile
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Few things I would like to see.
Some sort of built in Nav as an option
Auto-dimming mirror standard (doesn't have to have onstar)
A few different Wheels, and sizes to choose from 17's 18's and maybe 19's
Relocation of the RPD if it is available, maybe in-dash somewhere
Choice of Gold, black, bronze, gun metal, silver, or chrome wheel finishes
if more than 300HP 6spd Manual
Thats it for now
Some sort of built in Nav as an option
Auto-dimming mirror standard (doesn't have to have onstar)
A few different Wheels, and sizes to choose from 17's 18's and maybe 19's
Relocation of the RPD if it is available, maybe in-dash somewhere
Choice of Gold, black, bronze, gun metal, silver, or chrome wheel finishes
if more than 300HP 6spd Manual
Thats it for now
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Yeah I know some people would like an auto SS but I dont think they really look at the big picture...As in the LNF, look at how much power the car looses going to automatic. What a waste of money if you ask me. Learn manual or buy a 2.4 Sport and save money.
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Make two SS models like what the cobalt's have. There could be the Cruise SS/NA that comes in an automatic and a Cruise SS/TC or SS/SC whichever it is that comes with a manual 6 speed transmission only...
a road course is harder to find, more expensive to get on, goes less times in one day, has the higher possiblity of an accident with a wall and another car...
so its much more practical for the everyday driver with a nice street car to race it on the strip rather then a road course
Im not saying i dont want to or wouldnt prefer to race a road course its just not as practical
im also not saying that an auto is better for everyone, just that giving the option doesnt take anything away from you just gives others more options so y not
ya, they look at the big pic...more people avail to buy a car = more sales = more money....
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that...and its about 30$ a night for most at the drag strip with little worry of crashing into a wall and can go mult times and no worries about hitting another car.......
a road course is harder to find, more expensive to get on, goes less times in one day, has the higher possiblity of an accident with a wall and another car...
so its much more practical for the everyday driver with a nice street car to race it on the strip rather then a road course
Im not saying i dont want to or wouldnt prefer to race a road course its just not as practical
im also not saying that an auto is better for everyone, just that giving the option doesnt take anything away from you just gives others more options so y not
a road course is harder to find, more expensive to get on, goes less times in one day, has the higher possiblity of an accident with a wall and another car...
so its much more practical for the everyday driver with a nice street car to race it on the strip rather then a road course
Im not saying i dont want to or wouldnt prefer to race a road course its just not as practical
im also not saying that an auto is better for everyone, just that giving the option doesnt take anything away from you just gives others more options so y not
A nice and cheaper alternative is also autocross which cost like $20-$30 to participate in and are also fun to participate in...
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Explain on this one please? Unless you're talking price.
I could see them using the LNF to reduce cost of the cruze. A 2.4 Turbo DI VVT would up the cost quite a bit, even over current LNF's and in the range of the sky GXP. So, going with that i can see them utilizing thier 1.8 Litre.
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I could see them using the LNF to reduce cost of the cruze. A 2.4 Turbo DI VVT would up the cost quite a bit, even over current LNF's and in the range of the sky GXP. So, going with that i can see them utilizing thier 1.8 Litre.
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That's true and I totally agree with you. But man have you ever driven on a road course? I have once, (it cost me $250.00 to participate in) but wow was it fun! You really get to test the limits of your car and it's safer than you may think.
A nice and cheaper alternative is also autocross which cost like $20-$30 to participate in and are also fun to participate in...
A nice and cheaper alternative is also autocross which cost like $20-$30 to participate in and are also fun to participate in...
but they are alllllways closed to the open car public, always bike racing or using the part that goes over the drag strip to drag.... and its my daily driver...one mess up and im sol, and most insurance wont cover closed course timed races, so if i tank it into a wall im fixing it out of pocket...
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Explain on this one please? Unless you're talking price.
I could see them using the LNF to reduce cost of the cruze. A 2.4 Turbo DI VVT would up the cost quite a bit, even over current LNF's and in the range of the sky GXP. So, going with that i can see them utliizing there 1.8 Litre.
I could see them using the LNF to reduce cost of the cruze. A 2.4 Turbo DI VVT would up the cost quite a bit, even over current LNF's and in the range of the sky GXP. So, going with that i can see them utliizing there 1.8 Litre.
Whenever I think of 2.4 Turbo I automatically think of the SRT-4'... in which look what power they make stock vs the LSJ and LNF...
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Explain on this one please? Unless you're talking price.
I could see them using the LNF to reduce cost of the cruze. A 2.4 Turbo DI VVT would up the cost quite a bit, even over current LNF's and in the range of the sky GXP. So, going with that i can see them utliizing there 1.8 Litre.
I could see them using the LNF to reduce cost of the cruze. A 2.4 Turbo DI VVT would up the cost quite a bit, even over current LNF's and in the range of the sky GXP. So, going with that i can see them utliizing there 1.8 Litre.
I asked him why he destoked his 2.2 build to a 2.0 and this was his answer.
This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.
If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!
If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!
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They make less power than a stock LNF.
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Well, as i was saying. I'd love to see a direct injected 2.4Litre Turbocharged in the cruze. But for pricings sake, i do not see it happening. Hence why i had said i could see them going with the 2.0 LNF or even The 1.8 with some added options:-)
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didn't the 2.4T in the NSRT-4 make like 253HP VS the LSJ 205-211hp stock?
And doesn't the 2.4T in the CSRT-4 make 285hp and 265 ft lbs of torque vs the LNF rated at 260HP and 260 ft lbs torque @ the crank?
In which regards are we talking about making less power?
"This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.
If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!"
Doesn't this also put more stress on the engine and most of the internals? I'm talking about every day long term practical driving...
And doesn't the 2.4T in the CSRT-4 make 285hp and 265 ft lbs of torque vs the LNF rated at 260HP and 260 ft lbs torque @ the crank?
In which regards are we talking about making less power?
"This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.
If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!"
Doesn't this also put more stress on the engine and most of the internals? I'm talking about every day long term practical driving...
